Comments Thread For: Thurman To Arum: Stop Talking Sh-t! Not My Fault You Can't Afford Fight For Crawford

[Bronx2245]

Stars want to control as much as they can. You get to a certain level and you wonder why you have to put up with things after paying your dues. A promoter like Arum isn’t much use when you break out like Pacquiao, Hoya, Mayweather. You can avoid that headache. Guy’s leave PbC (Eubank just left recently for example). You don’t see stars leave PBC because they haven’t created any stars. GBP just had their first star, and guess what, he left them to have better control of his career. Top Rank has the most leaving them because they have created the most stars.

In this interview of Thurman’s he mentions (again, I might add) “I never mentioned a number”. But he’ll cry about lowballs. Arum is likely far too old to be playing this game of chicken with Thurman, he should ask for what he actually wants instead of just whining about what is offered. Same with Porter. Say what you want. Then the boxing fanboys can judge you with their opinions on whether it’s fair or not.

I know they're not Mayweather level (let's not forget what Haymon did for him), nor Canelo level, but I consider Tank a star (bigger than Loma & Teofimo), I consider the Charlo Bros. stars, I consider Errol Spence Jr. a star, and I consider Wilder a star! In fact, I think Thurman, Porter, and DSG, are on the same level as Crawford!

However, even if you disagree, it's hard to overlook Oscar, Floyd, Cotto, Mikey, and Pacquiao! Bob always has beef with his fighters! He's always in court! Him and Don King! We don't see that with Al Haymon!

[landotter]

THAT was an all time rant. I wished I heard it. I was ROLLING just reading it.

Just a little wired, dear Keith was.

[Tbone27]

Crawford should try to get released or buy out his contract because Arum has made it clear he won't invest the money it takes to secure a top 10 opponent and it would be idiotic to waste another year of his career fighting nobody.

[Curt Henning]

Facts! These guys aren't leaving PBC like guys are leaving, or have left Top Rank! There has to be a reason for that? So many PBC guys talk about their business investments, promotional companies, etc., and they always show appreciation to Al Haymon for that! The only fighter I know, that has problems with Al Haymon, is GRJ, and he still hasn't left yet!

yup...you dont hear a single one of those guys complain or leave....and on the flip side of that you dont hear any press of anyone saying theyre losing money on those guys our anything negative...theyre all happy as ****....meanwhile bud is having his guy talk **** about him...u think bud is gonna take a "paycut" to help bob out in any situation? doubt it

[Bronx2245]

How many time’s has a PBC hotshot fought a non-PBC fighter? Is what you should be considering here. Arum has worked with the PBC lesser’s (Crawford fought Felix Diaz for example, and Khan who was advised by Haymon), as has everyone else (Hearn/Joshua got Ruiz etc). But what about a champ? A unification? Or even a top tier fighter?

GBP gave Lomachenko a shot at Linares’ titles on his first fight moving up. DAZN/Hearn unified with Ramirez. DAZN and Fury are now reporting a done deal vs Joshua for undisputed. PBC has done this how often? And then wonder who’s holding up the fight. These guy’s might be able to get overpaid in the PBC bubble (We have all noted that Haymon fighter’s have been grossly overpaid since his beginnings), but they should realise that outside the bubble they aren’t going to get that amount of money, which is why you see these guy’s say things like “when it’s Mayweather-Pacquiao big” for simple fights with outsiders.

Wilder fought Fury twice! GGG fought Danny Jacobs and Dervy! Lomachenko fought GRJ! Spence fought Brook! LSC fought Frampton twice! Arum is highly questionable, and has been! Don't you remember Manny was "scared of needles?" Don't you remember the "fake contracts?" Go see what Mikey was saying! Mikey was taking $100-150K shorts on the regular! Bob tried to destroy Rigo's career, and now he's trying to do the same to Crawford! I think he's a real petty man!

[kej718]

Stars want to control as much as they can. You get to a certain level and you wonder why you have to put up with things after paying your dues. A promoter like Arum isn’t much use when you break out like Pacquiao, Hoya, Mayweather. You can avoid that headache. Guy’s leave PbC (Eubank just left recently for example). You don’t see stars leave PBC because they haven’t created any stars. GBP just had their first star, and guess what, he left them to have better control of his career. Top Rank has the most leaving them because they have created the most stars.

In this interview of Thurman’s he mentions (again, I might add) “I never mentioned a number”. But he’ll cry about lowballs. Arum is likely far too old to be playing this game of chicken with Thurman, he should ask for what he actually wants instead of just whining about what is offered. Same with Porter. Say what you want. Then the boxing fanboys can judge you with their opinions on whether it’s fair or not.

Eubank is the worst example to give. Hearn got him a fight with GGG and he walked away from it. The fact that he was able to leave in the first place should tell you a lot, he didn't have to sit out the rest of his contract. Haymon has let his fighters go to pursue more money and titles (Jacobs, Eleider Alvarez, Beterbiev, etc.) Arum and Hearn didn't want to work with Haymon to get those guys fights, they wanted the fighters under contract.

This whole notion of them working together is a joke. This is why they try to go directly to the fighters behind Haymons back. We didn;t get Floyd vs Manny until they met and Manny spoke to Al, and then a little while later he ended up signing with him.

As a far as stars, you don't think Spence, or Tank are stars? They fill out arenas all the time.

[roademier]

How much is Thurman worth?

[Curt Henning]

Eubank is the worst example to give. Hearn got him a fight with GGG and he walked away from it. The fact that he was able to leave in the first place should tell you a lot, he didn't have to sit out the rest of his contract. Haymon has let his fighters go to pursue more money and titles (Jacobs, Eleider Alvarez, Beterbiev, etc.) Arum and Hearn didn't want to work with Haymon to get those guys fights, they wanted the fighters under contract.

This whole notion of them working together is a joke. This is why they try to go directly to the fighters behind Haymons back. We didn;t get Floyd vs Manny until they met and Manny spoke to Al, and then a little while later he ended up signing with him.

As a far as stars, you don't think Spence, or Tank are stars? They fill out arenas all the time.

trust me man...theres a certain percentage of fgts who will never admit anything positive pertaining to a pbc fighter

tank has sold 12k in tix in two different cities...has been main support to a floyd ppv that did over 2 million buys...headlined his own cards and has a ppv all by age 26....hes constantly getting called out by all the names in the division because they all know hes the biggest name in the division

and youre right...when there was alot of money/good deal on the line for a haymon fighter he let them go elsewhere and make it

[kej718]

How many time’s has a PBC hotshot fought a non-PBC fighter? Is what you should be considering here. Arum has worked with the PBC lesser’s (Crawford fought Felix Diaz for example, and Khan who was advised by Haymon), as has everyone else (Hearn/Joshua got Ruiz etc). But what about a champ? A unification? Or even a top tier fighter?

GBP gave Lomachenko a shot at Linares’ titles on his first fight moving up. DAZN/Hearn unified with Ramirez. DAZN and Fury are now reporting a done deal vs Joshua for undisputed. PBC has done this how often? And then wonder who’s holding up the fight. These guy’s might be able to get overpaid in the PBC bubble (We have all noted that Haymon fighter’s have been grossly overpaid since his beginnings), but they should realise that outside the bubble they aren’t going to get that amount of money, which is why you see these guy’s say things like “when it’s Mayweather-Pacquiao big” for simple fights with outsiders.

PBC has made attempts to make these kind of fights but other promoters will block it unless it benefits them.

Jermell Charlo for example he should have faced the WBO champ to unify all the belts, but that is a Golden Boy fighter. (His mandatory is another PBC fighter, so what is taking so long?)

Jermall Charlo has been trying to face GGG, Canelo, Munguia (has been rank #1 by the WBC for a while now)

They made Wilder vs Fury twice (got delayed the 2nd time after he signed with Top Rank)

We could have had Wilder vs Whyte if they put Joshua on the contract too years ago.

You could go back to Stevenson vs Kovalev when they asked to push up the pursed bid to make the fight happen and were guaranteed a 50/50 split for both sides (those articles were posted and written on this site).

They made Loma vs Gary Russell with no problem.

Joshua fought Andy Ruiz (Joshua won his first title against PBC fighter)


John Riel Casimero has been calling out Inoue for a long time, why not make that fight in the future?

If the money is not there for both sides then the fight will not happen. Lets stop acting like it is one promoter or organization that is doing it.

This is why guys like Gary Russell and Haney can't get fights.

[kej718]

How much is Thurman worth?

500,000 pay-per-view (PPV) buys in the United States, earning an estimated $37.5 million in pay-per-view revenue vs Manny. He got $2.5 million plus PPV. That was 100K more buys that Manny did vs Broner.

So if he and Crawford could pull in 200K that's at least 14 Mill without the gate. They could Garuantee him $2 mill and give Crawford a bigger split of the PPV buys (60/40 maybe). We already know the undercard will be trash so they don't have to worry about spending it on those fighters lol.