How can people seriously believe Pacquiao is greater than Floyd

[Paperball86]

Floyd's a greater boxer, greater business man... Manny's a greater fighter, with a greater legacy. Manny accomplished more in and outside the ring while Floyd earned more money in and outside the ring. I dont think that's hard to argue. Manny has acquired more Greatness, it's kinda that simple to me. Ali is considered the GOAT often for what he accomplished in and out the ring. Same could be said for Manny, an 8 division champion. Which beats Mayweather's 5 division champion as well. Manny and Floyd are the only fighters to have 5 lineal championships. They both beat the man who beat the man in 5 different divisions which is crazy... guys are almost neck and neck for high ATG rankings however Manny has 3 additional championships in 3 more divisions. He kinda wins by default.. he went up more weight and beat champs at higher weights. If Floyd went to Middleweight, he'd have only moved up 30lbs to Manny's 54lbs. 168 would be 38lbs, 175 would be 45lbs, 184lbs (cruiserweight) would be Mayweather moving up 54lbs like Manny did... That kind of puts their greatness in perspective and how Manny is greater. It's really basic stuff. You have to be a true fanboy to think otherwise IMO. Or you dont know **** about boxeo... it's about that black & white, not hard. Simple math ..

So Pacman started at 100lbs... used rocks in his pockets to make weight and campaigned at 147 for over 12 years.. once at 154lb. Still fighting active elite champions 2021, at 147, 4 decades of activity. Beat Thurman at the literal end of 2019, at 40. A unified bonafide welterweight champion in his prime, best in the division lost to a Manny Pacquiao that people cried should retire after being KTFO by Marquez in their IV fight in 2012. So thats 54lbs gained over his entire career against Champion after Champion versus Floyd starting at Super Featherweight, 130, going up as high as 154 which is 24lbs against champion after champion... Manny went up 30lbs more, he wins...

Manny has been fighting 12-17lbs heavier than his ideal weight class since 2008 destruction of Oscar. Imagine Loma (130) versus Spence, Thurman, Virgil Ortiz, Crawford, Shawn Porter, Boots Riley.. which is 17lbs heavier than his current weight.. and 21lbs heavier than his debut.. or even fighting at 180lbs... which is 54lbs more than his debut at 126, super feather... or to Light Heavyweight, at 173lbs which would be Lomachenko's equivalence to Pacquiao reign at 147... ****s absurd.. lol. Loma vs Bivol, Beterbiev, Canelo, Joe Smith Jr, lol. but Pacquiao is doing that now in his 40s.. Loma could never campaign at 140 let alone 147, 154, 160, 168, 175. but this is about Floyd Mayweather who never tried anything north of 154. He grew into a welterweight, has a ****** long reach and is a physically larger human being.. his 24lbs jump over 5 divisions ain't nearly as impressive as Pacman 54lb jump over 8 divisions.. Floyd would have to be reigning champion at 175 light heavyweight for 12 years+ and fight at least once at 183lbs, cruiserweight, to match Mannys 147-154 fights ....

Manny like Mayweather also beat a slew a legends Marquez, Barrera, Morales is HOF in itself.. guys had like 4 HOF careers lol. let alone everyone else.. then you have decimation of David Diaz, decimation of De La Hoya, people thought Oscar would body Manny, whole lotta boxing revisionism with this one.. at the time many thought Manny had no chance.. that the jump was too big, etc. he jumped from 135 to 147 and retired Oscar.. his Hatton 2nd round KO, Margacheato merciful orbital breaking fight, Moseley schooling, Cotto destruction, beat the breaks off Bradley twice, let alone his post Marquez KO career.. people told him to retire in 2012 after that KO. The he beat Rios (bout as good as Floyd's Guerrero lol), Algieri (Imma rate this better than Floyd's KO of Ortiz, Provo is better than anyone Ortiz beat IMO..) Bradley, Mayweather close L, Bradley, Vargas, Horn L, Matthysse, Broner, Thurman. Dudes career is crazy and I'm missing half...

Edit: Canelo would have to fight at 194lbs once, cruiserweight, to achieve the same weight class jumps as Pacquiao achieved 100-154,, 54lbs. Then campaign at 187, cruiserweight... for 12 years. He plans on fighting for 7 more years I believe.. not happening. Canelo debuted at 140lbs.

[whirlwind]

Floyd had retired with not a single defeat on his professional resume. Floyd retired with a win. Pac retired with a loss from a bum Ugas.

You really failed here. In boxing, people with vast knowledge in boxing like these great boxers, commentators and boxing analysts can see through Floyd smoke screen. Floyd let down the boxing fans when he told us his health is more important than facing dangerous opponents. So did his his series of fighs against circus clowns and youtubers To gain something great you have to put your life on the line. People naturally hated him for claiming he is TBE while hiding his momma skirt.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what we say about Pac or Floyd but these great boxers, well known boxing historians, commentators and analysts what matter the most.

[Vlad_]

Manny just went 12 with Ugas, Floyd barely managed an exhibition against a YouTuber.

[LeOoze]

Manny just went 12 with Ugas, Floyd barely managed an exhibition against a YouTuber.

Manny lost the fight with Ugas. That's going in the history books. It's in his pro record. 8 losses. Floyd never lost, especially to an Ugas level fighter.

Even the Logan exhibition, Floyd won every round except 1 lol.

[spytactics]

note: im not talking about who's the bigger draw, who has more fans, more ppv (although they all belong to floyd). im just talking about what they achieved in the ring.

i enjoy watching both floyd and pacquiao fights. i prefer how floyd fights more, but im trying to be objective.

First off, Floyd has been "the man" in 4 weight classes, and Pac has only been "the man" in 3 weight classes even though he's an 8 belt title holder.

I look through both of their resumes, and Floyd beating a prime Castillo, prime Hatton, 154 De La Hoya, prime Canelo is better than most if not all of Pacquiao's resume.

it's funny how a lot of floyd haters say that floyd waited for his opponents past his prime, but manny's claim to fame was beating past prime fighters like barrera, and morales who beat his ass first time they fought.


manny has fought a lot of fighters coming off of a loss. Floyd sometimes did it in the past (Judah comes to mind), but he has also beaten a lot of boxers after their best performance.

manny has also been knocked out twice early when he was 17 and 20. now i can understand why people don't really count these losses, as he wasn't in his "prime" yet, but let's be real. imagine if floyd got knocked out once early in his career? floyd haters would be bringing that up nonstop.

oh, and Floyd beat Manny quite easily in their fight. that's what's most confusing. If floyd and manny fought MAYBE, i can see why people debate this. but they literally fought and manny got schooled lol.

im down for debate, what are the reasons why manny supposedly has a better resume?

89% of people fall asleep during floid fights. 89% of people immediately have sex after Pacquiao fights.

[spytactics]

Manny has losses that weren’t losses. Floyd has wins that weren’t wins

[sargo]

Paper gatherer lol , in the ring he got beat 8 times across his whole career, needed CWs to get his biggest wins, was beaton by B grade guys and knocked out.

I wish you boys would go away with your greater BS, Floyd smacked his losing ass in the ring when it counted, you dumb fcks are all about revving up engines and cheersquads the only thing that will put boxing sense into your brain is to go and box for real have a real go for at least a few years and a few real fights, you will come out the end with an entirely different view on the sport.

Nah. You can try your hardest with your bull****. Who the hell are you anyway to try to discount those facts. Those are records only he has accomplished. What your employer has achieved others have as well. You cannot deny that. You may repeat a million times that Pac has lost 8 times and lost to Mayweather - it doesn’t make the listed accomplishments untrue. Keep doing it, I just hope you are paid well to do it. If not you are just pathetic.

[Roadblock]

89% of people fall asleep during floid fights. 89% of people immediately have sex after Pacquiao fights.

Yeah I can see you guys beating your lizard when Manny fights a broken guy or a drained guy.

Liking a style over another means nothing in a boxing ring that's part of the popularity contest you silly fcks hold so high, Floyd beats Manny every day of the week so his style is better in winning matches Manny is a loser against guys Floyd toys with.

Little boys with a hero are fanboys not boxing fans, as boxers, Floyd is a class above Manny. the rest don't matter a fck Floyd beat him in cruise control when it mattered leaving Manny with only his regular bet your life on it being there excuse.

I get you like Manny more but that's not the guts of the argument, Floyd is the better boxer in the ring where it counts.

[sargo]

See how you show your mental block, Roadblock? You are talking about guts of the argument. Floyd may be a better pure boxer skill-wise as you want to believe, but Pacquiao overall is the better fighter/boxer and in fact now hailed as the greatest of all time by the likes of Dela Hoya and JCC.

Answer this, if he is truly the better boxer, why did he clinch excessively? Why did he run? A truly superior boxer would not resort to those.

[Roadblock]

Nah. You can try your hardest with your bull****. Who the hell are you anyway to try to discount those facts. Those are records only he has accomplished. What your employer has achieved others have as well. You cannot deny that. You may repeat a million times that Pac has lost 8 times and lost to Mayweather - it doesn’t make the listed accomplishments untrue. Keep doing it, I just hope you are paid well to do it. If not you are just pathetic.

I don't give a fck what titles he won lots of guys can win titles there is only about 3 in his career that was real, paper titles don't mean sht who you beat how you beat them under what conditions is what sorts the wheat from the chaff, put them in a boxing ring to find out who the better boxer is, Manny lost and lost to guys Floyd schooled like bums.

Why are you so thick, Floyd is the better boxer and would beat Manny every day of the week from 130 to 154 he beat him in cruise control, that's all that matters to me most titles are straight out of a cardboard box full of cereal so little kids like you can go look look another shiny title.

Youre into the plastic trophies and Im into the boxing inside the ring, who can beat who.