How can people seriously believe Pacquiao is greater than Floyd

[shza]

that is just pac-tard nonsense

FACT: MANY fighters who are greater than Pac only ever fought in 1 division

the number of divisions you represented is NOT criteria for greatness

that comes down to size/metabolism... and possibly steroids

none of that shlt is genuine criteria for greatness

there is only one criteria for greatness...

WHO did you beat, with consideration given to when/how

nothing else matters


* Mayweather has three wins better than anyone on Pac's resume
* Mayweather also has a better body-of-work
* Mayweather beat Pacquiao
* Mayweather retired undefeated... Pacquiao got KTFO numerous times


this is a fkn ridiculous discussion... as always LMAO

not... even... close... !!

Nah man, I'm not a "fan" of Pac nor a hater of Floyd or any boxer, so don't bring feelings into this. We are talking about 2 legendary fighters whose greatness is separated by the tiniest of margins. Saying that Pac > Floyd or Floyd > Pac is hardly ludicrous as there are good points on both sides. To say otherwise is some goofy ass fan ****.

To justify my original argument: winning straps in multiple weight classes is a commonly cited criterion for ATG status... Fitzsimmons, Ross, and Armstrong benefited especially from this, as they were the first three-division champs. While jumping weights is no longer as impressive with all the new trinket belts and weight classes, going from FLYWEIGHT to 154 is a remarkable achievement any way you slice it, as is convincingly beating a Keith Thurman in one's 40s.

Retiring at 49/50-0 is impressive but will probably be surpassed... ****, JCC could've hung it up at 87-0-1. Going from fly to super welter while fighting the best of the best, however, may never happen again.

IMO the best argument for Floyd > Pac is not resume, an area in which both guys are near even, but rather that he would've beaten prime Pac h2h, which I believe he would have.. Floyd was a master adjuster/pragmatist and a guy who always figured out what to do in order to win. Case in point being the first Maidana fight, which is a textbook example of how to beat a mauler & a great showcase for PBF's wits.

[aboutfkntime]

Nah man, I'm not a "fan" of Pac nor a hater of Floyd or any boxer, so don't bring feelings into this. We are talking about 2 legendary fighters whose greatness is separated by the tiniest of margins. Saying that Pac > Floyd or Floyd > Pac is hardly ludicrous as there are good points on both sides. To say otherwise is some goofy ass fan ****.

To justify my original argument: winning straps in multiple weight classes is a commonly cited criterion for ATG status... Fitzsimmons, Ross, and Armstrong benefited especially from this, as they were the first three-division champs. While jumping weights is no longer as impressive with all the new trinket belts and weight classes, going from FLYWEIGHT to 154 is a remarkable achievement any way you slice it, as is convincingly beating a Keith Thurman in one's 40s.

Retiring at 49/50-0 is impressive but will probably be surpassed... ****, JCC could've hung it up at 87-0-1. Going from fly to super welter while fighting the best of the best, however, may never happen again.

IMO the best argument for Floyd > Pac is not resume, an area in which both guys are near even, but rather that he would've beaten prime Pac h2h, which I believe he would have.. Floyd was a master adjuster/pragmatist and a guy who always figured out what to do in order to win. Case in point being the first Maidana fight, which is a textbook example of how to beat a mauler & a great showcase for PBF's wits.

FACT: Willie Pep is greater than Pac, and he only ever fought in one division

same with Ali... etc, etc, etc...

so that is total nonsense dude, stop talking shlt

there is - and only ever has been... ONE criteria for greatness...

WHO did you beat, with consideration given to when/how

there is a also lesser consideration given to losses... nothing more

you cannot claim to understand boxing, and yet question that fact

ask any historian... check Cliff Rold's 'Measured Against All Time'

that is how it is... that is how it has ALWAYS been

lowering the standards for Pacquiao are not the actions of a genuine boxing fan... they are the actions of a pacfan

* Mayweather has three wins better than anyone on Pac's resume
* Mayweather also has a better body-of-work
* Mayweather beat Pacquiao
* Mayweather retired undefeated... Pacquiao got KTFO numerous times

to those who know this game, it is not really that close at all

[TheCell8]

If he defeats Spence, he'll go down as a the higher ranked fighter.

[BoZz]

I like Pac but he's no where near floyd, every fight which made him so popular was a cherry pick at a catch weight. It's funny how when he was fighting fighters who weren't weight drained he never knocked them out or did to them what he did with a weight drained de la hoya and the rest of the victims. He used to be in wars against the Barrera's and Marqueze's...we all know what JMM did to him, Floyd beat him easily too. Like I said his fame started when he fought oscar,clottey,margarito,cotto etc..did he fight Cotto for the 154 belt at a catch weight too? Pac is alright, but we all know when he fought fighters in their natural division and a proper weight there were no knock outs, the opposite..he nearly died against JMM.

[The Big Dunn]

Really, listen to yourself. In history when the biggest names who fought each other more than once, did the first fight have to be close to warrant a rematch?
Didn't Pac beat barrera quite dominantly, didn't he beat barrera more dominant than Floyd beat pac?
There are people in earth who thought Pac beat floyd. Not a man on earth thought barrera beat pac

There are people On earth that think the earth is flat. They’re just as delusional as the people that think Floyd lost to manny.

The only difference is they are just confused. You guys are lying through your teeth.

[thebrownbomber_]

Floyd also ducked out of the welterweight division for 2 years while all the prime guys beat each other up

Floyd also made the Manny fight after six years of ducking him, and after Manny was brutally ko'd

Floyd also never beat an all-time great fighter in their prime

Yeah, did manny pacquaiao face Paul Williams, Sergio Martinez, Winky Wright? Once again, for the 100th time, Margarito was rapidly declining after he was exposed by mosley.

How did Floyd duck Manny when Freddie roach ADMITTED to it being their fault in 2010? Where was manny Pacquiao when floyd was knocking out ATGs in their prime (unlike ur false claim) like Angel Manfredy, Diego corrales, Genaro Hernandez?

Yeah, and Manny definetly did (while blatantly being quiet from 2003-2008). Pretty Boy floyd from Gatti scared him.

[djtmal]

Yeah, did manny pacquaiao face Paul Williams, Sergio Martinez, Winky Wright? Once again, for the 100th time, Margarito was rapidly declining after he was exposed by mosley.

How did Floyd duck Manny when Freddie roach ADMITTED to it being their fault in 2010? Where was manny Pacquiao when floyd was knocking out ATGs in their prime (unlike ur false claim) like Angel Manfredy, Diego corrales, Genaro Hernandez?

Yeah, and Manny definetly did (while blatantly being quiet from 2003-2008). Pretty Boy floyd from Gatti scared him.

You lost all credibility by saying Angel Manfredy, Diego Corrales, and Genaro Hernandez are all time great fighters. Good fighters yes but it's obvious you are caping too hard right now.

You sound like Floyd when he was ducking and dodging every reporter pressing him for years about making a fight with Manny.

[djtmal]

There are people On earth that think the earth is flat. They’re just as delusional as the people that think Floyd lost to manny.

The only difference is they are just confused. You guys are lying through your teeth.

Fight was pretty inconclusive.
Floyd didn't do anything but clinch. Prove me wrong. Run me a tape of Floyd landing at least 20 crisp shots on Manny. I bet you can't find one. I tell what you can find. You can find tapes of Floyd clinching all fight. Had a 100 plus clinch count.

Floyd Boys like this guy will put on the cape/utility belt and make it seem like Floyd was dominant but that's not the case at all.

Theres enough room to score the fight for Manny or a draw; how many fights Hopkins lost by clinching too much and looking like he was trying to avoid exchanging; but thats what happens when you try to overexaggerate when one guy is past prime, and the other guy is way past prime and had been ko'd.

[blowblow]

he did not beat Pacquiao, nor Canelo, nor Marquez, dominantly

Marquez stretched him out like a used condom

canelo will get murdered if he fought pac back then.

[shza]

FACT: Willie Pep is greater than Pac, and he only ever fought in one division

same with Ali... etc, etc, etc...

so that is total nonsense dude, stop talking shlt

there is - and only ever has been... ONE criteria for greatness...

WHO did you beat, with consideration given to when/how

there is a also lesser consideration given to losses... nothing more

you cannot claim to understand boxing, and yet question that fact

ask any historian... check Cliff Rold's 'Measured Against All Time'

that is how it is... that is how it has ALWAYS been

lowering the standards for Pacquiao are not the actions of a genuine boxing fan... they are the actions of a pacfan

to those who know this game, it is not really that close at all

OK, but even if we go with your criteria, there's a strong case for Pacquiao.... IMO their resumes are dead even, which is the only reason why I'd say the 8-division record puts Pacquiao's legacy over the top.

For example, what are these three definitive Floyd wins that are more impressive than anything Pac ever did? Hernandez & Corrales? Canelo? Gatti??? Are those really better than Pac's stoppages of true ATGs in Barrera and Morales or his W over Thurman at 40 (when/how, right)? Mentioning Floyd's h2h win over Pac would make sense, but the "how" & past prime factors rob it of some luster imo.

You may turn to the common argument that Manny only beat the **** out of Oscar, Cotto and Margarito due to catchweights, but this logic could also be applied to some of Floyd's best performances, like Canelo, Marquez, or Hatton... I've never understood that one.

But anyway, my point is that it's ridiculous & irrational to say "it is not really that close at all," especially if your argument is based on body of work... You'd do better to focus on Floyd's superior BOXING skills, trickier style & ability to avoid getting hit & dropped because there's no debate as to who was superior in that department.

Any argument that says EITHER guy is substantially greater than the other reeks of fandom/feelings and cannot be taken seriously... They are the 1a and 1b greats of the last two decades in no particular order and the order will ALWAYS be debated because they never fought each other in their primes and their resumes are just that close.