Comments Thread For: Reynoso: People Who Don't Have Canelo As P4P No. 1 Are Anti-Alvarez; He's Accomplished More Than Crawford

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  • HandsofIron
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    #41
    Originally posted by Gary Coleman
    But it is his fault. At some point you have to take personal responsibility. If your promoter can't get you the big fights, that's on you for signing with that promoter.
    Look, I don't root for promotions or networks, I care for the fighters, but if AJ-Ruiz and Fury-Wilder (twice) can be made so can Crawford-Spence. Crawford already called out Spence via Arum after the Brook fight, he even showed up at Spence-Garcia fight. What more can he do? Top Rank already said they are ready to make the fight, the ball's in Haymon/PBC's court now to respond.

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    • Hot Shyt
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      #42
      I dont have a problem with any of the top 3 guys being crowned as p4p (Canelo, TC, Inoue) because that title really means nothing lol..

      I will say some people dont rank him as number 1 I think because he was never clearly the best fighter in any weight class. He shouldve cleared out 160 like he said he was. He arguably has two losses against GGG (I'm fine with him getting the nod in the 2nd fight, but there's no way that first fight was a draw)

      He fought the weakest champions in both 168 and 175. He'll give people no choice when/if he goes out and beats any of the other top guys in the division. There's also the PED thing

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      • MrShakeAndBake
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        #43
        This raynoso clown can gfhs... You cant be pound 4 pound when you get caught using illegal substance twice and have problems with GGG. So No ! And why is he fighting a can-cherry that lost his last fight to Direll anyways ??? thats not what P4P do lol
        Crawford is P4P, but nice
        try to you litle cheating weasel...
        Last edited by MrShakeAndBake; 01-08-2021, 12:42 PM.

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        • batista84
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          #44
          P4P's lists are very subjective and usually tend to lit fire between fanbases, I'm not gonna lie, I got Alvarez at #1 on my list because he's beat champion after champion. I'm more of a guy who tends ti pick his P4P's based on who have they beaten, because I think that anyone can pass the eye test fighting low level opposition so eye test alone doesn't make it for me.

          I've made a table just to show numbers to backup my line of thinking.

          P4-P-Championship-History

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          • batista84
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            #45
            Originally posted by JonDelPrado
            The notion that skill and level of opposition should be looked at separately when considering p4p is ridiculous. Any top level fighter is going to look absolutely brilliant against weak opposition. Fighting the very best and pulling through, the way Canelo did with Golovkin, that’s another matter all together, that’s the only way to measure greatness. Crawford beats an over-the-hill Brook and gets to keep the top spot? Nope, that’s just personal bias, plain and simple.
            Exactly that is my point, All Time Greats had their close fights because they fought beasts, Leonard, Hearns, Duran and Hagler all had their tought close fights when they fought eachother.

            It's all about the level of opposition, you can't rate a fighter skill when he's beat guys he is supposed to wash out.

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            • -Kev-
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              #46
              Crawford’s resume is crap.

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              • Combat Talk Radio
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                #47
                Ah, so many 'eye test' responses from NSB. As usual.

                NOTHING he said was wrong.

                “Saul has been fighting better fighters than Terence Crawford, and that’s what really counts,” said Reynoso. “Crawford has not yet accomplished what Canelo has.”

                This is absolutely the correct answer for anyone honest with themselves.

                Or are we really suggesting that the ghost of Kell Brook would have beaten Callum Smith, all weights equal?

                Come on people.

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                • Combat Talk Radio
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by batista84
                  Exactly that is my point, All Time Greats had their close fights because they fought beasts, Leonard, Hearns, Duran and Hagler all had their tought close fights when they fought eachother.

                  It's all about the level of opposition, you can't rate a fighter skill when he's beat guys he is supposed to wash out.
                  Precisely.

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                  • Tlows1
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                    #49
                    Facts !!!

                    ANYONE still claiming Crawford as #1 P4P is a clown, plain and simple. You cannot come up with a legitimate argument for him. There are those talking about skill difference, that ranking is for what have you done LATELY. People are still trying to use his 140lb fights to rank him, he's done absolutely nothing at 147...PERIOD🤫

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                    • redruff
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                      #50
                      P4p

                      I used to have Canelo near the top p4p. But his resume last few years has been weak, on top the fact he's on PED's.

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