Prove me wrong, but Luke Campbell is a Bum

[RoadMan94]

Audley Harrison was a bum who won Olympic gold.

It's a dumb thread for sure but amatuer accomplishments don't necessarily carry over to the pros.

Oh god. I can’t even deny that about audley Harrison. 😂😂
Why you do that.!!!

Nah, I don’t think Luke is a bum, but I also don’t think he’s “world class” either. Luke seems to do the same each time, which is fight well enough to come second.

His gold medal, I watched that olympics from a prison cell, it didn’t impress me, tbh, Luke had one of easiest classes to get through in olympics. John joe Nevin wasn’t too much a top fighter himself.

I also didn’t want it to be a blanket statement about “dumb Americans”

Not all are dumb. Especially on here theirs a good few who are Spot on.

At best Luke is “Fringe world level”.

What’s annoyed me with him is that, after loma fight and he got praised, he was adamant he could do a whole lot better. Yet he didn’t improve in any way. His head is so stiff I can’t believe his upper body has no movement. He literally tucks up like David Pryce does.

I doubt he will ever be a world champ. I’d like to see him give it up, go spend time with family, because knowing Lindsay personally, she’s given a lot up to support Luke. Time for em to be a family.

I always felt like Luke bulked up too much after olympics. I feel like had he been disciplined he could of been a super featherweight. He would of enjoyed a good size on fighters at 130. I’m talking 7-8 years ago now though!!

[whollisboxing]

He hasn't beaten anybody of note and loses everytime when he steps it up.

To be fair, he's not that tough either, he frequently hits the canvas.

Downed by Mendez (who?), downed by Mendy (who?), downed by Linares, downed by Lomachenko, downed by Garcia.

24 fights and this guy has hit canvas 5 times. That's not exactly the hallmark of a real champion. I get it, fighters sometimes get dropped, but 5 times in 7 years?

For Garcia, to get dropped by a guy like this is pretty much a sign of bad things to come. He wasn't just dropped, he was dropped flithy with his arm behind his back.


I see a lot of people here are giving Garcia props and stuff, but these are like Canelo fans talking. Not exactly the most coherant or reasonable of fans.

Can anybody prove me wrong that Campbell isn't just another Eurobum?

I've seen him fight, he's like a C+ level fighter in my opinion.

Mendez is a former titlist, Mendy was a longtime contender, Linares is a three-division champion, and of course we already know about Lomachenko and Garcia.

Campbell is solid at worst but some people only have two categories for fighters: p4p and bum.

If that's the case then a lot of guys will be rated as "bums", especially if they aren't household names.

For example, a lot of fans would say that the lightweight division consists of Teo, Loma, Tank, Ryan Garcia, Haney, and a bunch of bums.

[STREET CLEANER]

Campbell like many fighters before him, his gold medal didn't translate into the pro ranks.

Solid fighter but not spectacular in any area. Like any gold medalist, they get hyped, have better promotional backing and better opportunities.

[Rip Chudd]

This forum is 99.9999% casuals. Luke won an Olympic GOLD medal and some guy who’s never boxed calls him a bum online LOL!

/End thread

[icha]

this forum needs to have an age requirement, at least 18 years or older...

[Marchegiano]

Some of my favorite fighters are lower end. Campbell ain't that.

People get too caught up and wins and loses and miss out on the magic that is guys like Burton and Strauss. Hell, even Eubank is well under appreciated just because he didn't prove he was best of his era. He proved he was top notch entertainment though.

Josesito Lopez is one of my favorite active fighters.

Y'all need to learn how to be fans of the men who make the mans

[War Room]

Mendez is a former titlist, Mendy was a longtime contender, Linares is a three-division champion, and of course we already know about Lomachenko and Garcia.

Campbell is solid at worst but some people only have two categories for fighters: p4p and bum.

If that's the case then a lot of guys will be rated as "bums", especially if they aren't household names.

For example, a lot of fans would say that the lightweight division consists of Teo, Loma, Tank, Ryan Garcia, Haney, and a bunch of bums.

Mendez and Mendy fought for vacant titles. Not even like real belts either, intercontinental and weird trinket USBA alphabet soup titles. Those type of titles remind me of old WWF lol. Hardly champions.

If you read my post, I rated Campbell a C+ fight so polar opposites like p4p and bum doesn't come into the equation - logically. If you have C+, thats a letter rating with a level of grading. Based on my example there would be A+, A-, B+, B-, C+, C-, D+, D- and respectivdely p4p.

Next time read the entire post and give it a thought, not just bits you want to.

Campbell isn't solid, he's way below average. A middling club fighter who can't take a punch. Do you know how average it is to have a 66-16 amateur record? In the UK it's even worse because their amateur system is padded, just like their domestic pro system.

Look at his amateur record, it's horrible: https://boxrec.com/en/amateurboxer/651514

His first 11 fights were against debut amateurs and he lost this first 3. 0-3 going into your 4th amateur fight. His first 13 fights were JO fights, kid fights. You can't even count those. So now we're at 53 fights and look at the records of the guys he fought after that. I mean real bad records.

1-2, 0-3, 0-2 and he still had loads of losses. He didn't fight hardly any amateur fighters with a decent set of fights until the end his his amateur career. Campbell was still fighting debuts fighters when he was 34-12, like what kind of amateur system they got over there?

[whollisboxing]

Mendez and Mendy fought for vacant titles. Not even like real belts either, intercontinental and weird trinket USBA alphabet soup titles. Those type of titles remind me of old WWF lol. Hardly champions.

If you read my post, I rated Campbell a C+ fight so polar opposites like p4p and bum doesn't come into the equation - logically. If you have C+, thats a letter rating with a level of grading. Based on my example there would be A+, A-, B+, B-, C+, C-, D+, D- and respectivdely p4p.

Next time read the entire post and give it a thought, not just bits you want to.

Campbell isn't solid, he's way below average. A middling club fighter who can't take a punch. Do you know how average it is to have a 66-16 amateur record? In the UK it's even worse because their amateur system is padded, just like their domestic pro system.

Look at his amateur record, it's horrible: https://boxrec.com/en/amateurboxer/651514

His first 11 fights were against debut amateurs and he lost this first 3. 0-3 going into your 4th amateur fight. His first 13 fights were JO fights, kid fights. You can't even count those. So now we're at 53 fights and look at the records of the guys he fought after that. I mean real bad records.

1-2, 0-3, 0-2 and he still had loads of losses. He didn't fight hardly any amateur fighters with a decent set of fights until the end his his amateur career. Campbell was still fighting debuts fighters when he was 34-12, like what kind of amateur system they got over there?

I did read your entire post, however your thread title didn’t say “Prove me wrong but Luke Campbell is a C+ fighter”. It said “Luke Campbell is a bum”, which is why I mentioned polar opposites.

If anything I’m curious to know how you rate the rest of the top 10 at lightweight, or who is in your top 10 to begin with

[pesticid]

He hasn't beaten anybody of note and loses everytime when he steps it up.

To be fair, he's not that tough either, he frequently hits the canvas.

Downed by Mendez (who?), downed by Mendy (who?), downed by Linares, downed by Lomachenko, downed by Garcia.

24 fights and this guy has hit canvas 5 times. That's not exactly the hallmark of a real champion. I get it, fighters sometimes get dropped, but 5 times in 7 years?

For Garcia, to get dropped by a guy like this is pretty much a sign of bad things to come. He wasn't just dropped, he was dropped flithy with his arm behind his back.

I see a lot of people here are giving Garcia props and stuff, but these are like Canelo fans talking. Not exactly the most coherant or reasonable of fans.

Can anybody prove me wrong that Campbell isn't just another Eurobum?

I've seen him fight, he's like a C+ level fighter in my opinion.

I think British fighters kiss the canvas a lot for some unknown reason. AJ, Fury, Brook, Can, Campbell I mean you go back in history and they are notorious canvas kissers. Kinda similar to Puerto Rican fighter born in Puerto Rico that is. They all kiss the canvas on the regular too. Garcia is an exception but he was fed them pinto beans in the U.S. I think pinto beans are not good in Puerco Rico. No hay arroz bueno tampoco pero la mamacitas si son numero uno. Ok, that's it Puerco Ricans get a lot of good puercas ricas and then come fight night they can't keep it together. So maybe I was wrong about Puerco sorry Puerto Rico's quality of food. But why are British boxers so fragile, they have horrible food and horrible looking women, so what gives? Do bath teeth contribute to bath jaws? I think that might be it, they are mouth breathers which crooks their teeth and make their jaws weaker I imagine...

[War Room]

I did read your entire post, however your thread title didn’t say “Prove me wrong but Luke Campbell is a C+ fighter”. It said “Luke Campbell is a bum”, which is why I mentioned polar opposites.

If anything I’m curious to know how you rate the rest of the top 10 at lightweight, or who is in your top 10 to begin with

So considering the word bum is not clearly defined and ambiguous in boxing, in modern times I consider C level fighters and lower bums. It doesn't take much skill to be a C level fighter in modern times.

Maybe I throw the word bum around too frivolously, I can admit that. But come on man, today's C level fighters are yesterday's F- level fighters.

Can you imagine Campbell going against the lightweights of the 90's? Nobody would even know who he was except that guy that keeps getting starched.

Imagine Campbell agasint Oscar, Mosley, Ruelas, Paez, Sharmba, Castillo, Corrales, Casamayor, etc. He would have literally gotten killed by those guys.

Top 10 for LW right now? I don't have a top 10, I don't think there really is a top 10 worth mentioning. Top 5 maybe. I don't think LW is that hot if you remove Tank and Teo.

I think Lopez is still green at 16-0, but he has great potential. I see big things for the kid. I rate him an A level fighter.

Tank is world class. Even though he hasn't faced a lot of top opposition, he passes the eye test and my eye is pretty good if I don't say so myself. A- level fighter for sure (which is above A).

Lomachenko is talented no doubt, but nowhere as talented as some people give him credit for. I think his best wins are against way smaller guys and tbh his skills don't really translate at LW. I don't think he would have done well in any division during the 90's. Trampler is a master match maker at Top Rank and he should get a lot of credit for Lomachenko's success. I give Lomachenko a B++.

Haney, initially I liked him and saw potential. Over time though, there is something wrong about the kid. 25 wins and they still feeding him easy meals. He doesn't put his punches together well and I think his team has reservations somewhere. Maybe he's getting hurt in sparring, I don't know. At the moment, I give him a B-. I got to see him against better opposition.

Garcia, he's sloppy and even though he can be fast, his tempo is choppy, and he sacrifices form for speed. Khan did the same thing, great speed, but telegraphed a lot and at the top pro level, you get caught doing that stuff. I think it's a matter of time before Garcia gets x'd out. He's got potential for sure, but I think his bad habits run way too deep. Oscar will match him properly because after losing Canelo, Garcia is a big draw for GBP. I rate Garcia a B.

I think British fighters kiss the canvas a lot for some unknown reason. AJ, Fury, Brook, Can, Campbell I mean you go back in history and they are notorious canvas kissers. Kinda similar to Puerto Rican fighter born in Puerto Rico that is. They all kiss the canvas on the regular too. Garcia is an exception but he was fed them pinto beans in the U.S. I think pinto beans are not good in Puerco Rico. No hay arroz bueno tampoco pero la mamacitas si son numero uno. Ok, that's it Puerco Ricans get a lot of good puercas ricas and then come fight night they can't keep it together. So maybe I was wrong about Puerco sorry Puerto Rico's quality of food. But why are British boxers so fragile, they have horrible food and horrible looking women, so what gives? Do bath teeth contribute to bath jaws? I think that might be it, they are mouth breathers which crooks their teeth and make their jaws weaker I imagine...

You got me dying at "hay arroz bueno tampoco pero la mamacitas si son numero uno."