Comments Thread For: Canelo Extends His Lead: BoxingScene Competition Index December 2020 Update

[Fire4231]

Waiting for al Haymon fan boys to come and say canelo ducked Charlo, Spence and Crawford 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Thanks for holding my seat chump... Canelo ducked Jermall Charlo. He took on the Franchise belt and gave up the true WBC title to prevent the fight. So yes Canelo did duck Charlo. You would have to be an idiot to think otherwise. I suspect you think otherwise. So I also suspect that you are an idiot.

[RoadMan94]

Thanks for holding my seat chump... Canelo ducked Jermall Charlo. He took on the Franchise belt and gave up the true WBC title to prevent the fight. So yes Canelo did duck Charlo. You would have to be an idiot to think otherwise. I suspect you think otherwise. So I also suspect that you are an idiot.

Hahaha TANK DUCKED LOMA

WILDER DUCKED WLAD

HAHAAHAHAHAHA 😂😂😂😂

It’s okay, now you’ve served ya purpose, come on, back in that cage you orangutan 🦧 😂😂

You know I’m you’re master boy!! Don’t make me get the “Chancla” out. 😂😂😂😂

[RoadMan94]

Thanks for holding my seat chump... Canelo ducked Jermall Charlo. He took on the Franchise belt and gave up the true WBC title to prevent the fight. So yes Canelo did duck Charlo. You would have to be an idiot to think otherwise. I suspect you think otherwise. So I also suspect that you are an idiot.

You think if you write in bold it means more? 😂😂😂 arent ya funny. Old crooked teeth like ya pops!! Dang you’re pops was a funny guy bro!! All the lil kids in the street would sorta bully him, for been a crackhead, but man he would do ANYTHING For a dollar.

RIP

[Fire4231]

Cliff Rold, nobody cares about your externally complex system to keep certain fighters from being recognized as the best.

This is why no one takes old media seriously. You are detached from boxing’s reality and always trying to find new smoke and mirror special effects to put old media’s favorite fighters at the top with out having them fight their real threats.

Keep your fighter electoral college. We want to see the fights before crowning a division king. As such your overly complex system of rigged analytics is meaningless to any fight outcomes.

[Silver Spear]

And Alvared will extend it even more with his punching bag program. He needs to start fighting guys like Charlo, Benavidez, Andrade and Bivol

You are saying Canelo needs to fight guys in 3 different weight divisions?

When have you ever said that about any other fighter in history?

[Silver Spear]

They aren't ducking each other, Charlo is ducking Andrade.

Andrade ducked Derevyanchenko, the smaller Charlo, and Lara.

Charlo ducked Jacobs and is ducking Andrade.

Canelo is ducking Charlo and Andrade.

Facts.

Ps. We both know Canelo would likely lose those fights. If they were such easy fights, he would have fought em a long time ago.

Jermall and Canelo are the same age.

Look at their resumes and tell me who has had a better career thus far.

Do you honestly think Jermall has a better resume than Canelo?

What does Jermall bring to the table? He has no financial value. If he truly wants to fight Canelo then have him move up to 168 and fight Plant, take his title then be next in line for a September fight.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Cliff Rold, nobody cares about your externally complex system to keep certain fighters from being recognized as the best.

This is why no one takes old media seriously. You are detached from boxing’s reality and always trying to find new smoke and mirror special effects to put old media’s favorite fighters at the top with out having them fight their real threats.

Keep your fighter electoral college. We want to see the fights before crowning a division king. As such your overly complex system of rigged analytics is meaningless to any fight outcomes.

Actually, crold1 has arguably THE BEST method, or close thereto, to help understand which fighters are at the top of the game - and more importantly, WHY, beyond "eye test".

This one line sums it up:

Wins over unrated opponents were worth nothing.

So if you spark out some guy that none of the orgs care about, it doesn't make you #1. It doesn't do anything for you. Go beat someone that's on SOME org's Top 10 list, then you get credit based on how you got that win and how highly ranked they were.

That's how you ensure the best strive to fight the best. Which is what it should be. I find it funny you call out "smoke and mirrors" - which describes the very fighters who aren't on the list and why. Because they've fooled you into thinking they're doing something.

The problem (especially around NSB) is that people have a broken understanding of "best". It's not who "looks" like they "might" be, it's who goes out there and PROVES IT.

I have zero problems with this list, Cliff, and I love your methodology. It uses facts, data and logic to rate people rather than emotions.

[killakali]

Top rank with 3 in the top 5

And 4 of the top 8. They always seem to have many of the elite fighters.

And this don’t count fury or crawford

[Combat Talk Radio]

And 4 of the top 8. They always seem to have many of the elite fighters.

And this don’t count fury or crawford

Because Crawford chooses to fool certain people by sparking out unranked C-levels. This list properly excludes that behavior and favors guys who fight ranked threats.

[crold1]

Actually, crold1 has arguably THE BEST method, or close thereto, to help understand which fighters are at the top of the game - and more importantly, WHY, beyond "eye test".

This one line sums it up:

Wins over unrated opponents were worth nothing.

So if you spark out some guy that none of the orgs care about, it doesn't make you #1. It doesn't do anything for you. Go beat someone that's on SOME org's Top 10 list, then you get credit based on how you got that win and how highly ranked they were.

That's how you ensure the best strive to fight the best. Which is what it should be. I find it funny you call out "smoke and mirrors" - which describes the very fighters who aren't on the list and why. Because they've fooled you into thinking they're doing something.

The problem (especially around NSB) is that people have a broken understanding of "best". It's not who "looks" like they "might" be, it's who goes out there and PROVES IT.

I have zero problems with this list, Cliff, and I love your methodology. It uses facts, data and logic to rate people rather than emotions.

Appreciate it. It's not perfect but wanted something to evaluate strength of schedule relative to divisions. Think I found a good way to do that.