Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua Indicates Only "Five Years" Left in His Career

[Monty Fisto]

The only decent win AJ has had is vs Parker.
And even then he had to cheat his way to victory with a blatantly compromised referee.

• Whyte - exposed hype job who should not be in top 10. Cheated, ducked and fouled his way to a few lucky wins to bluff his way into top 10.
• Ruiz - was not in anyones top 10 when they fought. Beat AJ soundly. Before forgetting to train.
• Povetkin - 40+ geriatric
• Klitchko - 40+ geriatric
• Pulev - 40+ geriatric

Wins against over 40's and obese athletes too lazy to train are hardly the makings of a champion.

Some interesting facts. There are some flaws in your facts though. Povetkin was in his 30s when he foughts Joshua. Pulev is still in his 30s. Klitchko was 41 when he fought Joshua, but looked in fantastic shape and was a better fighter at that point than any current HW has as a win on their resume, with the exception of Fury.

Fury fought Wlad when he a few months shy of 40. The version that fought Fury was younger than the version that fought Joshua. This is mitigated to a huge degree by the fact that the version that fought Joshua was actually willing to throw punches. Regardless, Wlad is a hall of famer who dominated the division for for over 10 years and lost 5 fights out of 69. Anyone with a win against Wlad should be proud of it and I would contend anyone portraying Wlad as some kind of soft touch is more interested in spinning a narrative than relating objective truth.

As for Ruiz, it was a big underdog win in the first fight, followed by a complete shutout in the rematch. I won't say it wasn't an embarassing loss for Joshua in the first fight, because it absolutely was, but at the same time Ruiz wasn't a complete nothing at that point, as evidenced by his extremley close fight with Parker beforehand. Ruiz's true quality is yet to be fully determined, I would say. I think he has talent and may yet make a further mark on the division, but that's obviously threatened by his lack of discipline when it comes to diet.

[Laligalaliga]

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The same way Andy Ruiz went down in the 1st fight?
Wait, let me guess ... AJ had an off night and that’s how he lost but moving forward he’s never going to have an off night?

Am not interested in the past, all I know for sure is whoever has the last piece is going down as well.

[Oregonian]

Am not interested in the past, all I know for sure is whoever has the last piece is going down as well.

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I bet you were sure AJ was going to destroy Ruiz in the first fight.
The past that you aren’t interested in is a fact.
You claiming you are sure is your own hypothetical wish. Which one do we go with?
Facts or some guy’s wishful thinking?

[Kezzer]

Some interesting facts. There are some flaws in your facts though. Povetkin was in his 30s when he foughts Joshua. Pulev is still in his 30s. Klitchko was 41 when he fought Joshua, but looked in fantastic shape and was a better fighter at that point than any current HW has as a win on their resume, with the exception of Fury.

Fury fought Wlad when he a few months shy of 40. The version that fought Fury was younger than the version that fought Joshua. This is mitigated to a huge degree by the fact that the version that fought Joshua was actually willing to throw punches. Regardless, Wlad is a hall of famer who dominated the division for for over 10 years and lost 5 fights out of 69. Anyone with a win against Wlad should be proud of it and I would contend anyone portraying Wlad as some kind of soft touch is more interested in spinning a narrative than relating objective truth.

As for Ruiz, it was a big underdog win in the first fight, followed by a complete shutout in the rematch. I won't say it wasn't an embarassing loss for Joshua in the first fight, because it absolutely was, but at the same time Ruiz wasn't a complete nothing at that point, as evidenced by his extremley close fight with Parker beforehand. Ruiz's true quality is yet to be fully determined, I would say. I think he has talent and may yet make a further mark on the division, but that's obviously threatened by his lack of discipline when it comes to diet.

Very well put. There are a number of fighters in the division who we need take on a few other opponents so we can really see what they are - that includes Ruiz, Fury, Wilder and Ortiz.

At the moment -

Ruiz has beaten & been dominated by AJ and narrowly lost to Parker - is that a lucky win or really bad training for the rematch?

Wilder has only beaten Ortiz , and (see below) he hasn’t beaten anyone himself!

Fury has beaten only an “old” Klitschko who didn’t punch (and I’m using wilder/fury’s view of him being old vs Joshua here) & won one of two matches against Wilder (who as above is yet to prove himself consistently). Chisora - a decent gatekeeper - is his next best win.

Ortiz - well he has been knocked out twice despite winning the fights against wilder but has beaten nobody of note.


All these fighters may live up to the hype, maybe better/worse than what we think but for me until they have taken on at least five different high level opponents I struggle.

It’s why I’m still of the view that Joshua beats Fury - across a period of time AJ has proven himself. Fury has been up and down. It doesn’t mean I don’t think fury can win, but it means I don’t do knee-jerk opinion changes based on a singular fight.

[Laligalaliga]

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I bet you were sure AJ was going to destroy Ruiz in the first fight.
The past that you aren’t interested in is a fact.
You claiming you are sure is your own hypothetical wish. Which one do we go with?
Facts or some guy’s wishful thinking?

What exactly do you have a problem with? The last man with the piece going down or what exactly is your challenge?

[RHETOЯIC]

He can go into acting, advertising, and pornography and become a billionaire again after becoming one in boxing.

[RHETOЯIC]

The Mandingo Warrior

[Jkp]

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I bet you were sure AJ was going to destroy Ruiz in the first fight.
The past that you aren’t interested in is a fact.
You claiming you are sure is your own hypothetical wish. Which one do we go with?
Facts or some guy’s wishful thinking?

Well said. AJ fan boys don't like facts.

[lopetego]

As for Ruiz, it was a big underdog win in the first fight, followed by a complete shutout in the rematch. I won't say it wasn't an embarassing loss for Joshua in the first fight, because it absolutely was, but at the same time Ruiz wasn't a complete nothing at that point, as evidenced by his extremley close fight with Parker beforehand. Ruiz's true quality is yet to be fully determined, I would say. I think he has talent and may yet make a further mark on the division, but that's obviously threatened by his lack of discipline when it comes to diet.

Ruiz is still Joshua's daddy

fat Andy humilliated him, took his manhood, and Joshua never truly took it back, he needed to stop or truly beat the crap outta Ruiz for that, and that didn't happen.

after winning the belts, Ruiz went on a partying and taco eating marathon instead of training, he was so fat in the rematch he couldn't even move, literally. and he STILL was getting the better of Joshua in the exchanges, whenever AJ dared to trade punches, instead of just jabbing and running away like a *****

AJ fought like an absolute scared ***** in the rematch, to me that's not ¨domination¨, he won that fight in cowardly fashion. You can't do that with someone that already stopped your ass in brutal fashion, it doesn't delete the original stain

[Monty Fisto]

Ruiz is still Joshua's daddy

fat Andy humilliated him, took his manhood, and Joshua never truly took it back, he needed to stop or truly beat the crap outta Ruiz for that, and that didn't happen.

after winning the belts, Ruiz went on a partying and taco eating marathon instead of training, he was so fat in the rematch he couldn't even move, literally. and he STILL was getting the better of Joshua in the exchanges, whenever AJ dared to trade punches, instead of just jabbing and running away like a *****

AJ fought like an absolute scared ***** in the rematch, to me that's not ¨domination¨, he won that fight in cowardly fashion. You can't do that with someone that already stopped your ass in brutal fashion, it doesn't delete the original stain

Three points:

1. He literally could move and I Iiterally watched him move. A foot would go in front of the other and forward he would go and he could even throw punches with each hand. Literally unable to move would be frozen like a statue.

2. If he had the better of the exchanges, he would have won at least a round. He didn't win a single round because he was getting hit more than he was hitting back.

3. Sometimes boxing is about brawling. Sometimes boxing is about knocking an opponent unconscious. But a lot of the time boxing is about boxing -- about using superior skills with the fists to frustrate and defeat the opponent.

If you think outboxing someone is cowardly, maybe this isn't the sport for you.