Stevenson is borrrring.. dont havw superstar potential

[buddyr]

I mean, it's true. He never travelled. Struggled to separate skill wise even against guys like Bika. I don't think most Ward 'fans' on here ever watched most of his fights. They just bandwagoned on the tribal train when he had the Kov fights.

Well I was posting on another forum when Ward was in the Olympics. I think a lot of us here followed him his whole career. It really wasn't that long ago. It's not like Ward fought 20 years ago. he had a short career lol

[joseph5620]

andre ward was tKOing most of his opponents in the first 18 fights


I agree once you get to a point, youre not going to KO everybody

but hes a guy who's most likely going to go up in weight, and his lack of power is going to limit his potential

In Wards first 15 fights he had 9 stoppages. Stevenson has 8 after 15 fights. Almost identical. Wards competition was actually worse too.


KO Power is not the end all and be all. If it was fighters like Pernell Whitaker and Mayweather would never have become 4 and 5 division champions.

[joseph5620]

Well I was posting on another forum when Ward was in the Olympics. I think a lot of us here followed him his whole career. It really wasn't that long ago. It's not like Ward fought 20 years ago. he had a short career lol

Same with me. I followed Ward from the time he was in the Olympics. I don't understand how that's so hard to believe lol.

[Boxing-1013]

No it isn't true. It's a lie actually.

Man he fought half of his fights in Oakland, 75% of them in Cali, and I think every one but one in the US.

Well I was posting on another forum when Ward was in the Olympics. I think a lot of us here followed him his whole career. It really wasn't that long ago. It's not like Ward fought 20 years ago. he had a short career lol

Hey I'm sure he has had some true fans out there who really followed him. I've just seen too many 'Ward would have schooled this guy, like Mayweather would have' comments from Ward fans.

He and Floyd fought nothing alike. If they compared him to Bhop or something, OK, I get it. But yeah I feel like a lot of the Ward support out there is superficial and tribal. That is true for a lot of fighters though. Still a lot of casual-ness even on a hardcore forum like this.

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To the central point, I haven't seen enough of Shakur to comment. He does seem to be more like a Mayweather boxer type. Ward was a roughhouse, smart, tough fighter. We didn't know how much dog, and chin, Floyd had until he got into tougher fights.

I guess as he gets into more fights, we will see what Shakur has. I know some were comparing Haney to Floyd, and I ain't seeing that one yet.

[Boxing-1013]

In Wards first 15 fights he had 9 stoppages. Stevenson has 8 after 15 fights. Almost identical. Wards competition was actually worse too.


KO Power is not the end all and be all. If it was fighters like Pernell Whitaker and Mayweather would never have become 4 and 5 division champions.

Keep in mind that Ward was fighting at LHW in the Olympics. He fought below that weight almost exclusively as a pro. And he still had to dog it out in most fights to get a result.

Shakur is struggling to show power, and will be surely moving up the weight classes in the next few years. Look at how Floyd was hurting people at 130 and even 135.

[YoungManRumble]

Don't get this kid wet or feed him after midnight

[ShoulderRoll]

Man he fought half of his fights in Oakland, 75% of them in Cali, and I think every one but one in the US.

He won his Olympic gold medal with 0% of those fights in Oakland.

A man who excels knows how to win anywhere.

[joseph5620]

Keep in mind that Ward was fighting at LHW in the Olympics. He fought below that weight almost exclusively as a pro. And he still had to dog it out in most fights to get a result.

Shakur is struggling to show power, and will be surely moving up the weight classes in the next few years. Look at how Floyd was hurting people at 130 and even 135.

Dog what out? Is that just another one of your many lies?

[joseph5620]

Man he fought half of his fights in Oakland, 75% of them in Cali, and I think every one but one in the US.



Hey I'm sure he has had some true fans out there who really followed him. I've just seen too many 'Ward would have schooled this guy, like Mayweather would have' comments from Ward fans.

He and Floyd fought nothing alike. If they compared him to Bhop or something, OK, I get it. But yeah I feel like a lot of the Ward support out there is superficial and tribal. That is true for a lot of fighters though. Still a lot of casual-ness even on a hardcore forum like this.

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To the central point, I haven't seen enough of Shakur to comment. He does seem to be more like a Mayweather boxer type. Ward was a roughhouse, smart, tough fighter. We didn't know how much dog, and chin, Floyd had until he got into tougher fights.

I guess as he gets into more fights, we will see what Shakur has. I know some were comparing Haney to Floyd, and I ain't seeing that one yet.

You said he never traveled. You said he always fought in his hometown. So you just admitted that you lied. Nice. Ward didn't fight anywhere near half his fights in Oakland.



FYI California is a huge state. If you're from Northern California then Southern California is not your hometown. That's just ignorant.

[Boxing-1013]

He won his Olympic gold medal with 0% of those fights in Oakland.

A man who excels knows how to win anywhere.

Yeah, and you can't really rate a guy who always fights at home. If GGG or Canelo was fighting all of their fights in Guadalajara or Karaganda you would guys would be slamming them. Especially if they had a lot of unimpressive decisions. Come on man.

I can't comment on Ward in the Olympics, I've never seen the footage. I have no real reason to doubt his medal being legit, but it is the Olympics, who knows.

Against lesser comp, Ward showed good boxing skills. Most guys in the ams that he was facing were probably not on his level, so he won those clean I'm sure. Maybe his run in the Olympics had guys who he could outclass.

But in the pros, when the comp was B or even C level and above, he just turned the fights into actual fights. They got dirty and there wasn't much boxing class shown in those.

I would know - I actually watched all of his relevant fights a few times in preparation for the Kov fight. I wanted to see who should have been favored going into that fight.