Will people ever STOP OVERRATING old primitive era boxers with little skill?

[billeau2]

I partially agree, I do think older techniques work, but many things are situaltional and styles make fights is always true, which means there is always someone out there who can counter your style.

by the way, I start youtubing boxing scoring and discussions either tonight or tomorrow! Wanted to do a post fight show for the Rungvisai fight but it might be tomorrow as I got home late and might not be setup.

Pm me the info, I'll try to be there.

[Good ol' Douglas]

So instead of these crazy idiots providing video evidence of how were so called wrong talks about something else instead of the topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYPFq_06ZM

The nostalgists will never be able to debunk videos like these. Even HW boxers from the 70s are technically poor for modern standards.

[Ascended]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYPFq_06ZM

The nostalgists will never be able to debunk videos like these. Even HW boxers from the 70s are technically poor for modern standards.

Its not nostalgic its crazy and pretend to be blind this is a vid i been waiting years for the raw truth

but the crazy idiots here since they are blind and act deaf they wont be able to accept it never have they ever when its us who can see and hear and they say we're lying how is that when vids like this are made and mutiple people for years on forums have said the same stuff the raw truth

[Finito2K]

Could today's boxers fight in their era? Fighting frequently and under the kind of pay scale they had in the past? Probably not.

[Ascended]

Could today's boxers fight in their era? Fighting frequently and under the kind of pay scale they had in the past? Probably not.

Changing the topic

[KidDinamita]

Casuals speak about yesteryears heavyweight fighters as if they were only 180lbs 5'10 fighters.

There was Jess Willard, Jack Johnson, Luis Firpo, Max Bear, Max Schmelling, Joe Louis. They weren't the smallest heavyweights, they had heart, either you win or you don't eat.

Not saying that they would beat today's fighters, but there are present fighters that are from the top 10 that are not as talented as those fighters I mentioned.

Don't forget also the filming wasn't the best to show their tactics and skills.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Watch Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier III.

Now watch Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder I, II, & III.

Anthony Joshua vs Usyk, Anthony Joshua vs Wladimir Kiltschko.

Muhammad Ali & Joe Frazier are way off their peak. But they are fighting like Super Middle Weights.

The same kind of intensity, and speed of thought. At a higher pace in very hot and humid conditions '15 rounds'.

In comparison Fury for the most part in his fights, is stumbling about. And I have no idea why people rate his speed so highly.

After a few rounds he consistently looks as if he is fighting under water. That is a trademark trait of these super heavyweights.

Past the 2000's, if you really analyse the sport. Notice how there have been very few all-time great fights.

Especially in the heavyweight division. Fury vs Wilder was a good trilogy. But in terms of skill for skill and intensity.

It does not compare to Evander Holyfield vs Rid**** Bowe.

Note: In some ways these Super Heavyweights are better, but in other ways they have regressed. Also across the whole board in boxing, in all divisions. At elite level it seems like inside fighting is limited. The higher you progress through the levels, the less aggressive the sport becomes 'That seems to be how the sport has developed'.

Similar to the way in Tennis, players don't attack the net anymore at top level. There are very few surf and volley type players. The higher you go up in the levels, the more players just sit back and wack the ball from the back. I am no tennis expert, but just using that development as comparison.

Fighters at elite level these days, they all want to sit back and fight from long to mid-range 'Primarily'.

[Ascended]

Casuals speak about yesteryears heavyweight fighters as if they were only 180lbs 5'10 fighters.

There was Jess Willard, Jack Johnson, Luis Firpo, Max Bear, Max Schmelling, Joe Louis. They weren't the smallest heavyweights, they had heart, either you win or you don't eat.

Not saying that they would beat today's fighters, but there are present fighters that are from the top 10 that are not as talented as those fighters I mentioned.

Don't forget also the filming wasn't the best to show their tactics and skills.

That silly quote doesn't make sense never has all the people you named cant you see them fighting so what does bad cams have to do with anything you still can see

You can easily tell the difference from a jack match and a johnson match and can see the cams were better in Joe's era so what are you talking about your trying to say if the cams were better that somehow would make you see better yet you can already see everything its makes no sense your a idiot why did you say this

Your idiots just like to make yourself look ****** not thinking at all before you speak

all of these dudes were trash compared to 70s-now its real easy to see

[KidDinamita]

That silly quote doesn't make sense never has all the people you named cant you see them fighting so what does bad cams have to do with anything you still can see

You can easily tell the difference from a jack match and a johnson match and can see the cams were better in Joe's era so what are you talking about your trying to say if the cams were better that somehow would make you see better yet you can already see everything its makes no sense your a idiot why did you say this

Your idiots just like to make yourself look ****** not thinking at all before you speak

all of these dudes were trash compared to 70s-now its real easy to see

Oh no the mental one again.

[Ascended]

Oh no the mental one again.

Yea i know your mental i called you crazy you didn't have to tell me something I already knew you need glasses