Comments Thread For: Arum: Wilder Has No Rights To Third Fury Fight, Claim Will Be Denied

[DaNeutral.]

lol if you guys had a brain you'll understand both espn and fox agreed to push the fight back due to the pandemic but hey its easier to blame wilder

but like i said its bigger than what fury and bob said do yall really think espn and fox wants to not host a 100 million dollar fight

So the contract had nothing to do with the fighters? ESPN and FOX signed up to fight? Surely you need the agreement of the fighters, surely television networks can't keep a fighter out of the ring and not earning for as long as they like.

[Squ□redCircle34]

Just get it over with and prove the rematch was just a continuation of another beating but this time give Wilder what he wants which is going out on his shield whether on his back or out on a stretcher!

If Fury can’t produce the same results there will be reasonable su****ion of how a man who couldn’t put a dent in Wilder in the first fight but then within 2 years could hurt him so badly that Wilder’s legs was noodle for the rest of the fight and Luis Ortiz couldn’t hurt him that badly!

[Nuttybloke]

Can you not read? I've covered all that, I said... “That alone would be hard enough to deal with. Let alone doing so in his own mental state of mind. He binged out, turned to the booze, the drugs, the party lifestyle, he was finished, he'd ballooned in weight and nobody believed he'd ever get back in the ring again”.

So why are you actually only repeating what I'd already covered, only doing so in such a backward manner? And for a Fury fan? You look even more ****** then?, for not even understanding what you've watched him do and achieve, and incredibly for a Fury fan?, we read you here and now STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT?, even after reading someone tell you? Is there just something wrong with you maybe? As surely you're having a laugh and nobody can take anything you people think or say seriously? What do you actually know about boxing? It will be a whole lot of nothing. What a pathetic comment that really is. Embarrassingly so.

Tell me, what is it you hope to achieve by tying such juvenile complete idiocy? What do you think you'll achieve by doing that?

[DaNeutral.]

Here come all the little kiddies....

LOL sounds like you feel like a superior figure amongst the forum posters. Explains alot about the biased crap you usually post.

[Nuttybloke]

I can't believe we could actually see anyone with any sort of boxing knowledge say what you have? Let's talk reality, boxing, you know, real boxing, not childlike opinions fitting of 5-year-olds? Or is that just too difficult for you? You don't really understand? We read the casual AJ fans really thinking he can beat Fury?. They say Fury's not fought anyone, only bums?

Otto Wallin? Came with an unbeaten record of 21–0–13 KO's? A bum? Was ranked inside the top 10.
Tom_Schwarz? Came with an unbeaten record of 24-0-17 KO's? A bum? Was ranked inside the top 10.
Deontay Wilder? Came with an unbeaten record of 40-0-40 KO's? (x2) A bum? Was ranked number one!
Francesco Pianeta? Came with a record of 35-4-1 with 21 Ko's? A bum?
Sefer Seferi? Came with a record of 23-1- 21 Ko's? A bum? Was ranked inside the top 10.
Wladimir Klitschko? Came with a record of longest reigning heavyweight champion in history. 64-3-53 Ko's A bum? Was ranked number one!
Dereck Chisora? A bum? Was ranked inside the top 10.

All the fighters Fury has beat, have all gone on to win their next fights? With only Wladimir Klitschko losing again?

AJ fought for 6 years as an Amateur. In 2009 and 2010 won the Haringey Box Cup. He won the senior ABA Championships in 2010 and in 2011 he won the GB Championships earning himself a place on the GB Boxing team.

At the 2011 European Championships, he was stopped by Romanian southpaw Mihai Nistorafter after receiving several standing counts.

In October 2011 he was named Amateur Boxer of the Year by the Boxing Writers Club of Great Britain. Joshua had an amateur record of 40–3.

In the 2011 World Championships, he lost to local boxer, Magomedrasul Majidov winning a silver medal, yet securing his place at the 2012 Olympic Games in the super-heavyweight division.

At the 2012 London Olympics, in his opening contest he battled Erislandy Savón through three tough rounds before being given the result 17-16. This decision caused huge controversy, with most observers believing Savon had clearly won the bout.

He then beat Zhang Zhilei by 15-11 guaranteeing at least a bronze medal. In the semi-final, Joshua fought Ivan Dychko only winning late on in the fight, just by13-11.

In the Olympic final, he beat Roberto Cammarelle, after losing the first two rounds 6-5 and 13-10 respectively, at the end of the third round, the score was now magically & hilariously reading: level 18-18? And of course, that meant Joshua was announced winner and Olympic champion, by way of count-back? LOL. At the London Games? How embarrassing that really was!

On 11 July 2013 it was confirmed that Joshua had turned professional under the Match room sport promotional banner. So A J had masses of experience already when turning pro.

AJ Vs Tyson Fury?

AJ isn't in the same realm as Tyson Fury? A J is a former gold medallist, who got found out at the top level, (as so many have before him). A J got found out many times though, sure he just about managed to get through some of those fights, yet people tend to forget how fragile and uncomfortable he is and looks when in the ring? He's like an upright clueless novice, with his chin out to lunch at times.

Andy Ruiz pointed that out, before he then completely exposed it, and he could have and should have done the same again, as he had worked out AJ. But the fame, the chocolate cake, the lifestyle, saw him throw it away, and he didn't prepare himself at all for the rematch, he went into that fight without a plan A & plan B was still in the fridge. He got spanked for it, he looked a former shadow of himself in all truth. If Ruiz could sort his own mindset out, and if he had any desire to do so, he'd beat AJ again.

How can AJ beat Fury? I can't see any way he can? He's out-reached, he's out-boxed, and he's out-thought, his movement is non-existent. His head remains static, he's no up and down movement, no side to side movement, and with gloves up? Such a weak guard, is easy to be hit between or around his guard, and hit hard, again as Ruiz exposed, sending him off on his jelly legs with his cheesy pearly white tooth grin as his head hits the canvas LOL.

Fury on the other hand? Has fantastic movement, more like we'd see from a cruiserweight, is 6' 9'' he can **** and KO anyone, and he can box smart, at a much higher, better, and skilful level than we've ever seen from A J. Klitscho was schooled by Fury. Nobody had ever schooled him before. Fury schooled and KO'd Wilder. Beating him (twice) no matter what the American judges pretended to see.

AJ is beaten up by Fury if he tries to fight on the front foot!
AJ is out-boxed, out-reached, out-thought, and beaten up from range.
On the inside?, Fury is always calm & composed, picking his shots, and landing them.
AJ freezes on the inside, and gets caught trying to get out in his linear style.
Fury's chin has been tested?, as has his temperament.
AJ's chin of a schoolgirl, has been fully exposed, as has his cry baby temperament!

Fury is levels above AJ.

And Eddie Hearn knows this. He's hating knowing he's only got one or two big money fights left with AJ.
Less of your uneducated garbage please.

[sayf]

A third fight with Wilder would do bigger numbers in the U.S. I dont think anyone other than boxing fans really care about Fury Vs Joshua. I'm sure it'll do good numbers in the UK.

They really blew it not staging Wilder Vs Joshua when they had that invincibility aura. Serves them right for marinating.

I think you may have it backwards. Both Fury and Joshua have made names for themselves outside of the mainstream boxing crowd. Fury by being bonkers, beating Klitchko, and joining WWE fights. Joshua for being an olympian, young champion, beating Klitchko, getting beat and coming back from defeat away from home.

Wilder is hardly known around the world beyond boxing fans. He should be huge given his status before losing. For some reason he remained almost anonymous globally. The only explanation is that he's been badly promoted given his amateur and professional accolades and crazy power. He should have been an easy sell

[VashDBasher]

Big oof. Wilder will never beat Fury. Fury is on another level.

[sicko]

How do we know other HW's can't beat him when he refused to fight them?

Again like I originally Posted:

which is why they all need to fight!

[Nuttybloke]

AND CAN WE STOP with this lie and outright bull****, Mike Tyson, a boxing great? It's disrespectful to all the real great fighters we have seen? Talk TRUTH for once in your lives. Since when did ANYONE call a boxer who was known to have ducked both the best boxers of his era, ever be seen as a great former boxer? It's so wrong.

Mike Tyson, a boxing great? No! Just no! Not at all not in any realistic way at all, that's just so wrong!! Mike Tyson was KO'ing bums. He was the youngest heavyweight champion! That was a special achievement. But that does not make him great nor the best? Or even anywhere near the best? It makes him a great champion for his age.

This bull**** we read from so many people today is actually insulting to all the great fighters we've seen, Lennox Lewis is one of the very best we've seen in most of our lifetime's. I mean the difference between Lewis and Tyson in skill levels, or their boxing ability are massive? Lewis was so much better in every level of boxing. So much so, it's not even something that needs debating, it's just a fact.

The first world-class fighter Mike Tyson faced was a well over the hill, well past it, Larry Holmes (who in my opinion, in his prime, beats Mike Tyson in his prime every time, convincingly). Tyson did beat Michael Spinks (who isn't really a Heavyweight, but actually was only a light Heavyweight). Spinks was also well past his best, as that was his last fight.

When Mike Tyson faced any of the top fighters of his era he always lost. When he faced Buster Douglas? He got beat?
When he faced Evander Holyfield? He got beat (twice).
When he eventually got the courage to face Lennox Lewis? (who was another well past his best) he got beaten up?.
When he faced Danny Williams? Again he got beaten up?

Who did Mike Tyson actually beat that anyone could call a top tier world-class fighter, a hall of fame boxer? The answer is nobody. So how can anyone even think of him as a former great boxer, let alone one of the best? I mean are you actually kidding me? We also read the American's trying to say Lewis ducked Tyson? Yet again, it was the other way around, Tyson ducked both Lennox Lewis and Rid**** Bowe.

Bowe himself also ducked Lewis, yet Lewis ducked nobody, and wanted to fight them all, he fought all that would fight him, and beat every one of them, yet we read endless RUBBISH and blatant outright lies about Mike Tyson?, while you people do all you can to not ever mention Lennox Lewis, and even Less Rid**** Bowe?, yet both of whom nobody could even begin to argue were much much much better than Mike Tyson. And Tyson ducked both. How can you call him anything like great knowing that? It's commonly known as bull****.

Lewis beat every man he faced in the ring? Everybody. No man can lay claim to have beaten Lewis, as the two that did, both got beaten up in the rematch. Rahman got brutally beaten up by Lewis after disrespecting hm, and McCall burst into tears in his rematch. We also do know how and why Lewis lost the two times he did. He admitted it himself, he was out making films like Oceans 11, not training or sparring for those two fights, he made the mistake of underrating his opponent. But man, he soon put both right? Mike Tyson lost against every decent fighter he faced.

Lewis beat up everyone he faced. Including, Vitali Klitschko — Mike Tyson — Hasim Rahman — David Tua — Michael Grant — Evander Holyfield — Željko Mavrovic — Henry Akinwande — Oliver McCall — Ray Mercer — Tommy Morrison — Derek Williams — Glenn McCrory — Gary Mason (one of the most underrated boxers in history).

Mike Tyson, knocked over 30+ bums, then got to the top tier of heavyweights, got found out, and got beaten up.

On 31 October 1992, Lewis knocked out Canadian Donovan “Razor” Ruddock in two rounds for the number one contender's position in the WBC rankings. It was Lewis's most impressive win to date and established him as one of the world's best heavyweights. Sportscaster Larry Merchant declared, “We have a great new heavyweight.”

The win over Ruddock made Lewis the mandatory challenger for Rid**** Bowe's heavyweight championship. Bowe held a press conference during which he threw his WBC title belt in a rubbish bin, relinquishing it to avoid a mandatory defence against Lewis. On 14 December 1992, the WBC declared Lewis its champion, making him the first world heavyweight titleholder from Britain in the 20th century.

Lewis defended the belt three times, defeating Tony Tucker, whom he knocked down for the first time in Tucker's career, and Frank Bruno and Phil Jackson by knockout. The Lennox Lewis vs. Frank Bruno fight was the first time two British-born boxers fought for a version of the world heavyweight title in the modern era.

Lewis lost his WBC title to Oliver McCall on 24 September 1994 in a huge upset at the Wembley Arena in London. In the second round, McCall landed a powerful right cross, putting Lewis on his back. Lewis returned to his feet at the count of six, but the referee highly controversially ended the fight, giving McCall the title by technical knockout.

In his first comeback fight, Lewis was given a chance to fight for the mandatory challenger position within the WBC and won it by knocking out American contender Lionel Butler. However, at the behest of promoter Don King. The WBC bypassed him and gave Mike Tyson the first chance at the title recently won by Briton Frank Bruno from Oliver McCall. Bruno had previously lost to both Lewis and Tyson.

Lewis had the number 1 contender's slot in the WBC rankings when he knocked out Australian Justin Fortune, then defeated former WBO Champion Tommy Morrison in October 1995, followed by Olympic gold medallist and former WBO champion Ray Mercer in May 1996.

Lewis successfully sued to force Tyson to make a mandatory defence of the WBC title against him. Lennox accepted $4 million from Don King to step aside and allow Tyson to fight Bruce Seldon instead, (with a guarantee that if Tyson defeated Seldon, he would fight Lewis next).

After winning the WBA title from Seldon, Tyson relinquished the WBC title to fight Evander Holyfield instead. Mike Tyson running scared and DUCKING Lennox Lewis?? The WBC title was declared vacant. This set up a rematch between Lewis and McCall, who met on 7 February 1997 in Las Vegas for the WBC title.

In one of the strangest fights in boxing history, McCall, who had lost the first three rounds, refused to box in the fourth and fifth rounds. He then began crying in the ring, forcing the referee to stop the fight and award Lewis the victory and the title.

STOP LYING!!! YOU CASUALS!

[Nuttybloke]

It wasn't a motivation thing that stopped Mike. Or a drug or money thing, what stopped Mike Tyson was ability.

We read people think he was great because he became the youngest Heavyweight Champion. People over the years have taken that to mean he was a great champion, when he never was. Why? Because great champions win their belts against great champions as opposition.

What we find looking back over Mikes career was a career that was entirely fabricated by Don King.

He had Mike in good shape and saw a chance for the WBC world Title against Trever Berbick (who isn't any sort of great boxer), who had just won the WBC title from Pinklon Thomas 8 months earlier.

King then saw James Smith (who isn't any sort of great boxer) beat Tim Witherspoon to win the WBA world title and straight away wanted Mike to face him.

Mike won the IBF world title against Tony Tucker (who isn't any sort of great boxer) and who had just won it from a fat Buster Clueless.

He won his WBC title again, by Don King getting the WBC to bypass Lennox Lewis (who was the mandatory for Frank Bruno's WBC title he had just won from McCall) and the WBC gave Mike Tyson the first chance at the title held by Frank Bruno when that should have been Lewis.

Then after Lewis had sued Tyson for not fighting him, and won his case. Don King paid Lewis about $4 mill to let Tyson fight Seldon (who isn't any sort of great boxer) for the WBA world title, with Tyson agreeing to fight Lewis next if he won. But as so not to face Lewis, Tyson dumped his WBC world title, and fought Holyfield losing his WBA title.

So the tale of the tape when we take away all the lies, and all the American casual's bull**** is very clear.

Mike Tyson won every title he held from bums, and lost them to a not very good Douglas, and Holyfield. Mike won easy fights, then found himself at the top tier of the Heavyweights and was completely outclassed.