Comments Thread For: Canelo, Spence on Tap: BoxingScene P4P November Update

[ShoulderRoll]

ceteris paribus:

if all things (weight) were equal ... who would win ... based on style/skills/form?

how would each of those fighters matchup against a range of opponents from within their individual divisions, and above?

THAT... is p4p criteria.... not resume... or Teo simply would not be there, and Pacquiao would be #1

we do this... every... single... month... LMAO

You insist on wanting to ignore resume when determining P4P but you can't.

Because a diet of low quality opposition can make the "eye test" inaccurate.

That is why the best criteria is a combination of style/skills/form PLUS resume.

[BoxingIsGreat]

P4P is a garbage concept. If you read the disclaimer at the end of the article, you'll find how pathetic it is. It states:

"This list is for entertainment purposes only and based purely on imagination, hypotheticals, and conjecture just like every other pound for pound list ever written. Neither it nor any other such list made up of such illusory ingredients should be used to forward corporate agendas of any kind."

A better name would be "Current Best Boxers" or something like that without resorting to delusional hypothetics. We can't determine whether Loma would beat Floyd if they were the same weight, but overall the boxing community knows Floyd is a better, more skilled boxer. No need to say, "IF" they were the same weight, Loma would win. That's a BS way of ranking.

Any list is an opinion. I have a problem with the IF.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Looks like BoxingScene has gone back to the trash rating instead of the good one. That's too bad.

[techliam]

Why is Spence so high up?

A split decision against Porter?

I don’t remember Thurman and Brook being ranked so highly

Had he dominated his opponents I would understand, as the cap is still unknown. But we have seen Spence’s cap - the fighter who fought level with post-Golovkin Brook and split decision Porter

[Thuglife Nelo]

P4P shouldn't be complicated.

I don't believe in ''if they were the same size'' theory. It should strictly be reserved on how you've performed throughout various weights. As a matter of fact, P4P theory was exactly how Golovkin marketed himself. ''154-168'' is easy for me dating back to 2012 but never daring against P4P #1 in Floyd or Ward. Boxing isn't complicated. Unfortunately it's become a sport where athletes exploit the scales to simply rehydrate. Spence should already be at 154 as well as Crawford. a lot of FANS EXCUSE fighters for staying at weights.

[crold1]

There will be two different lists. The comp index will also continue to be updated and published regularly.

[Combat Talk Radio]

There will be two different lists. The comp index will also continue to be updated and published regularly.

So there's still hope for a logical list?

[Oregonian]

thank you

P4P fighters lose all the time

having a better resume than Teofimo Lopez, did not help Lomachenko

style/skills/form... and the eye-test, for ring generalship/ringIQ... resume is a factor, because it answers questions about levels... but it is not the predominant factor

e.g.
everyone (correctly) rated Golovkin, when he was steaming through total scrubs

this is all just common-sense, no real boxing knowledge required... selecting a P4P list is where boxing knowledge is required... which completely throws the casuals for a loop, because they know that they need a roadmap

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Again, 💯 agree.
The problem is social media platforms is riddled with 80% casuals. They are the most vocal. It’s like your average voter who supports a candidate without understanding why.

[aboutfkntime]

You insist on wanting to ignore resume when determining P4P but you can't.

Because a diet of low quality opposition can make the "eye test" inaccurate.

That is why the best criteria is a combination of style/skills/form PLUS resume.

1) FACT: Lomachenko's BETTER resume, did not mean shlt when he got in there with Teo

2) P4P fighters lose all the time

3) MANY people saw that coming


resume = ATG... NOT P4P

[ShoulderRoll]

1) FACT: Lomachenko's BETTER resume, did not mean shlt when he got in there with Teo

2) P4P fighters lose all the time

3) MANY people saw that coming


resume = ATG... NOT P4P

People were putting Lomachenko at P4P #1 based on a limited resume. Once he got tested against a young, strong lightweight we got a more accurate picture of him.

Skills + resume = the best way to determine P4P standing. Better than skills alone or resume alone.