Why did Pacquiao refuse random blood testing from 2009-2011, yet..

[djtmal]

Go away idiot, random testing is not knowing when they coming, its random right up to a minute before the fight, thats random testing not some open window that an Elephant can jump through.

For the Manny fanboys that think this is agreeing to testing you are bunch of gullible dipsticks.

What Manny agreed to with Floyd, was it the same when he ordered Rios to to be testing did it have a 14 day cut off or not ?

C'mon. Even Big Dunn and Iron Dan can come up with some better excuses than this.

[Roadblock]

C'mon. Even Big Dunn and Iron Dan can come up with some better excuses than this.

Are you for real, youre saying a 14 day cut off is agreeing to random blood testing, nobody in pro sport does that, no testing VADA or USADA or WADA does that or will do that,,, ring ring, call for you Manny, hi last test 2pm next friday , lol idiot.


Here is nice article for you.


Hypocrisy, thy name is Manny.

The truth will probably never surface, but the evidence is compelling. It seems Manny Pacquiao’s stance on performance-enhancing drug testing has changed quite a bit since he refused to cooperate with Floyd Mayweather’s requests in 2010, potentially squashing any chance of ever seeing the two fighters square off.

At the time, Pacquiao refused to have his blood drawn for testing (as a stipulation for a fight with Mayweather), and the pound-for-pound kingpin refused to fight him as a result. Mayweather continues to demand the same from all his potential challengers, and it seems Pac-Man has decided to take a page out of his book.

According to Lem Satterfield of the Ring, Pacquiao wants random drug testing for his upcoming bout against Brandon Rios—the same random testing he refused when faced with a fight against Mayweather. He quotes Pacquiao’s advisor, Michael Koncz, as saying:

The fact is that Manny has requested random drug testing for this fight. We still haven't decided which entity we'll use. It's going to be either USADA or [VADA.] It will be one of the two. We still haven't decided. We're still discussing it, but the bottom line is that there will be mandatory drug testing.

That Pacquiao has requested mandatory drug testing isn’t all that surprising considering the widespread acceptance of the practice in modern professional boxing. He’s looking to the future and protecting his best interests after coming off two unsuccessful fights in the last 11 months.

But Pac-Man’s sudden acceptance of the practice raises some serious questions about his motives for refusing mandatory testing in 2010. Has he had a change of heart, or was he looking for an excuse to avoid fighting Mayweather?

Given the two-step the pair has participated in since that time, there’s a good chance it was the latter.

Time and again, Pacquiao and Mayweather have found themselves on a collision course for a superfight, only to see one (or both) balk at the opportunity. Blame has been appointed to both fighters, but Mayweather is starting to look a lot more like the innocent party in the charade.

Granted, Pacquiao has every right to change his stance on PED testing—and he should, considering the merits of the practice.

But why now? And why was it such a big issue when Mayweather was willing to climb in the ring with Pac-Man?

At the very least, Pacquiao’s request for drug testing is hypocritical. Given the tremendous amount of posturing that has led to a whole lot of nothing, it looks more like Pacquiao used his stance on testing as another excuse to duck Mayweather and avoid a fight he could easily lose.

Mayweather has just five fights remaining before his contract with Showtime/CBS is completed and he walks away from professional boxing. If Pacquiao refuses to step forward to fight the undefeated welterweight in that span—especially after demanding random drug testing from Rios—the blame won’t be on Mayweather’s shoulders.



Here is a little more seems Manny was having no part of a 14 day cut off, he wanted 24/7 random.

https://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/6467/pacquiao-rios-undergo-247-testing

Now, for the first time, Pacquiao is not just saying he would agree to be randomly tested, he is being tested as he and Brandon Rios prepare for their 12-round welterweight showdown on Saturday night at the CotaiArena at the Venetian Macao in Macau, China. Pacquiao and Rios are undergoing random testing by the Las Vegas-based Voluntary Anti-Doping Association, an organization that has been widely used for major fights in the United States.

The fighters have been enrolled in the program since the late summer, when the fight was made, and can be tested 24/7, blood or urine.

During the initial Mayweather talks, Pacquiao claimed to be fearful of needles and said that was one of the reasons he didn't want to give blood. That is no longer an issue. Pacquiao has been tested at least three times, twice during his training camp in the Philippines, and once since arriving in China.

On Tuesday, Pacquiao's wakeup call came from VADA testers. According to Pacquiao spokesman Fred Sternburg, the PacMan "happily gave them a deposit at 7:30 a.m., after two bottles of water, then proceeded on his morning run."

Pacquiao's take on the testing protocol is a lot different than it was in 2009.

"There is no problem," Pacquiao said.

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Are you for real, youre saying a 14 day cut off is agreeing to random blood testing, nobody in pro sport does that, no testing VADA or USADA or WADA does that or will do that,,, ring ring, call for you Manny, hi last test 2pm next friday , lol idiot.



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I am saying in the first negotiation with Manny, Floyd agreed to everything, then came back to table and all of a sudden wanted ost. It wasn't part of his initial agreement. Floyd did this same maneuver in a negotiation with Winky Wright but the difference was the purse split. That's well documented.
It's well documented that they hit a snag over the cutoff date with Manny wanting 24 days, Floyd wanting 14. When Manny agreed to 14 Floyd moved the goal posts to no cutoff and got sued for his troubles. That's well documented as well.
I went ahead and backed up Manny agreeing to 14 days and this site is the source as you can see.

You can pull up any article you want, you can't pull up anything saying Manny got busted for peds.

For me this is what it is and the bigger point is, backing out of fights with guys who posed a real threat, has been Floyd's m.o. prior to this grand scheme of backing out of a fight with Manny.

What you trying to counter with is typical Floyd boy rhetoric; name calling; trying to get away from the real issue; reads like excuses and doesn't prove anything otherwise.

[aboutfkntime]

Negative, I simply pointed out that you were sooo adamant pac didn’t agree to random testing until 2015 and another poster corrected you on it...somehow we got here.

just like your last Captain-Save-A-Hoe performance... I asked you a simple/logical/relevant question... and you crawled up your own (fat) ass to hide

any reason for that, Captain ?

IF, what you say is true... that Manny finally agreed to random blood tests in 2012...

then, how come the pathetic excuses that Pacquiao used to duck Mayweather... were not used to duck Brandon Rios?

FACT: everyone can see you are ducking that question Captain

FACT: whenever a lying scumbag needs a hero... there you are, frantically waving your pom-poms

that aint no coincidence LMAO

[Monzon99]

How did Floyd know Manny was going to say NO TEST ?

Are you dumb enough to not realize phloyd used the test demands to block the fight?

[QueensburyRules]

Yet he suddenly accepted after around 2012?

Why the sudden turn around? Why the initial refusal?

- -U panties all pooopsy back then obviously.

[Fanofreason]

PAC roided and we all know it.

He even said he was scared of needles, and when they asked about all his tattoos the .... he quickly couldn’t speak English. PAC ran from Money May.

[Roadblock]

Are you dumb enough to not realize phloyd used the test demands to block the fight?

Dont even go to dumbville kid, its not a school yard fight, there is no way know Floyd would know Manny was going to say NO RANDOM PEDS TESTING.

So how does wanting extra PED testing becoming ducking but saying NO TEST is wanting the fight.

Youre just a dumb hater, you have no evidence yet I have a mountain you cant answer.

[djtmal]

Are you dumb enough to not realize phloyd used the test demands to block the fight?

Who Roadblock? Yes he is dumb enough

[Roadblock]

I am saying in the first negotiation with Manny, Floyd agreed to everything, then came back to table and all of a sudden wanted ost. It wasn't part of his initial agreement. Floyd did this same maneuver in a negotiation with Winky Wright but the difference was the purse split. That's well documented.
It's well documented that they hit a snag over the cutoff date with Manny wanting 24 days, Floyd wanting 14. When Manny agreed to 14 Floyd moved the goal posts to no cutoff and got sued for his troubles. That's well documented as well.
I went ahead and backed up Manny agreeing to 14 days and this site is the source as you can see.

You can pull up any article you want, you can't pull up anything saying Manny got busted for peds.

For me this is what it is and the bigger point is, backing out of fights with guys who posed a real threat, has been Floyd's m.o. prior to this grand scheme of backing out of a fight with Manny.

What you trying to counter with is typical Floyd boy rhetoric; name calling; trying to get away from the real issue; reads like excuses and doesn't prove anything otherwise.

Team Pac knew about the testing 6 wks before, it was in the first draft of proposals give to Arum, the question remains how did Floyd know he would say no , we all know the answer he couldnt have known, and that saying NO stopped the fight from happening then, you are trying to justify saying NO to advanced random Ped testing.

Schaefer said the issue was included in the first draft of the proposal, about six weeks ago, but the divide became public Tuesday, when Mayweather’s camp issued a news release.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/sports/24boxing.html

I will find where Roach acknowledges it and says no problems and then they said no.

You are thinking like a little kid and not adding up the evidence just jumping from one nothing story to another, add it ALL up and there is only one conclusion, Team Pac used the PED testing demand to avoid the fight during 2009 to 2011 .

https://www.si.com/boxing/2015/04/28/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-negotations

More....
It was clear that both boxers wanted the fight too. Stephen Espinoza, then a lawyer for Golden Boy and now the executive vice president of Showtime Sports, recalls a call from a Top Rank lawyer a few days before Christmas. One more thing, the lawyer said. Manny would like a weight penalty: $10 million for every pound over the 147-pound limit. "To me," says Espinoza, "it was an ask designed to blow up the fight." He relayed the request to then Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer, fully expecting it to be rejected. Fifteen minutes later Schaefer called back with a yes.

Drug testing, however, was a real obstacle. According to DuBoef, random blood and urine testing hadn't been part of negotiations. "It just showed up in a contract," he says. Mayweather's side tells a different story: Blood testing was in the original draft; Top Rank just kept deleting it, and when presented to Pacquiao, it was rejected, on account of the fighter's fear of needles. "That was funny," says Leonard Ellerbe, CEO of Mayweather Promotions, "because he has tattoos." Eventually Pacquiao agreed to testing—within limits.