Comments Thread For: De La Hoya on Wilder, Spence, and Other PBC Fighters: I Built Them

[FLY TY]

Oscar nailed it.... PBC="Protected-Boys-Club" Haymon's business model is about recycling losing dollars with shet fights.... Spence vs Garcia is another perfect example.... estimated upcoming PPV views will be about 175K...

If Tank-Santa Cruz, two dudes have never headlined a ppv did 225-250...surely Errol, who's done 350 both times he's been on ppv, and coming off a car accident, against Danny Garcia, does more than 175

And while we're on the subject of ridiculing pbc ppv numbers, what did Terence do with Khan? What did Jacobs and Golovkin do on ppv?

If you want to make the argument ppv should be reserved for only marquee fights, I agree. But let's not pretend other promotional organizations don't do worse numbers than pbc. And let's not pretend you don't have ppvs in the UK like Whyte-Povetkin doing worse numbers than Davis-Santa Cruz, at a third of the price.

If PBC is in trouble, then everyone else is too. Oscar's had a rough go as of late, so the question is how much longer GBP has. Cleary Ortiz and Garcia won't be sticking around for the long haul.

[The_Hamster]

He is right but he fails to mention that the platform he puts his fighters on is in the same boat as Al Haymon PBC. The problem is the fighters are being overpaid and they do not generate anywhere near the amount of Revenue that they are being paid. It's almost like the Federal Reserve. They print so much money for us that we can never pay off the interest debt with tax revenue.

PBC and dazn are overpaying Fighters because of venture capital money. This is how companies like uber are still around even though they are five billion dollars in debt. They hope that in the long-term they will make money.

I could easily see PBC and dazn losing money forever and never turning a profit and eventually folding or eventually paying Fighters what they are actually worth instead of over paying them.


HBO and Showtime both made a profit. As soon as Fighters found a way to become overpaid HBO got out of the business. HBO made a lot of money on pay-per-view from building pay-per-view Stars. When they lost that because of Al Haymon and Floyd Mayweather. And the crazy Venture Capital investors that lose money funding them. HBO got out of the business. And I can't blame them.


For the system to actually work either you have to have one big boss man Monopoly like Dana White is to UFC. Or all the networks and all the promoters me too come together and cross-promote on a regular basis every single time make the best fights not once in a while either. It has to be every single time they build the best fights and then everybody will make money.

[factsarenice]

Unpacking the PBC

The PBC (Al Hayman) does not promote, Al provides content to networks and that's his 1st concern. PBC fighters are self promoting free agents but they are only free agents on paper.

Over and over the top names at the PBC are forced to forgo life changing paydays because those fights are on networks Hayman doesn't control. Sure, as free agent they have the right but if they exercise that right they're punished or out right banished. In the end, the PBC does not promote or build fighters nor do they allow the biggest fights because free agency at the PBC is an illusion.

[BlackR0bbb]

oscar needs to look in the mirror, he lost a lot of fighters to pbc not being focused as a leader on his own organization. He allowed haymon to get to close to his money safe while he was in his lingerie closet, next to his alcohol & drug cabinets.

#facts!!!!

[BlackR0bbb]

And out come the alt right Al Haymon haters like clockwork lol. It hurt doesn’t it boys....if the coloured bloke would just get out of the way then your idols Hearn and DLH would be doing so well lol. Pbc has been “failing” since 2015 right children? They failed their way into two contracts with FOX and Showtime while dazn USA teeters on failure, lawsuits, and forced reevaluation of contracts.....oh well, there’s always Pizza Patron......

According to the salty haters, PBC was supposed to have been "saved" by Dana White and his Zuffa Boxing. That "meeting" between White and Al was supposed to happen on five or six occasions already. The hate for this man is off the charts an pretty sad.

[factsarenice]

The appeal of Spence vs Garcia is the potential upset of a man smashed in car. Spence did good numbers because of Mikey Garcia just like Thurman did because of Manny. Lets not make believe either is a big draw on their own because they're not.

If Tank-Santa Cruz, two dudes have never headlined a ppv did 225-250...surely Errol, who's done 350 both times he's been on ppv, and coming off a car accident, against Danny Garcia, does more than 175

And while we're on the subject of ridiculing pbc ppv numbers, what did Terence do with Khan? What did Jacobs and Golovkin do on ppv?

If you want to make the argument ppv should be reserved for only marquee fights, I agree. But let's not pretend other promotional organizations don't do worse numbers than pbc. And let's not pretend you don't have ppvs in the UK like Whyte-Povetkin doing worse numbers than Davis-Santa Cruz, at a third of the price.

If PBC is in trouble, then everyone else is too. Oscar's had a rough go as of late, so the question is how much longer GBP has. Cleary Ortiz and Garcia won't be sticking around for the long haul.

[factsarenice]

The PBC (Al Hayman) does not promote, Al provides content to networks and that's his 1st concern. PBC fighters are self promoting free agents but they are only free agents on paper.

Over and over the top names at the PBC are forced to forgo life changing paydays because those fights are on networks Hayman doesn't control. Sure, as free agent they have the right but if they exercise that right they're punished or out right banished. In the end, the PBC does not promote or build fighters nor do they allow the biggest fights because free agency at the PBC is an illusion.

I wish it weren't true but such is life

[Oldskoolg]

According to the salty haters, PBC was supposed to have been "saved" by Dana White and his Zuffa Boxing. That "meeting" between White and Al was supposed to happen on five or six occasions already. The hate for this man is off the charts an pretty sad.

They DESPISE this man, because of his education, his success, his power, his keen know how, the fact that his fighters are multi-ethnic/national and all of them say the exact same thing....that they make more money with him. Other fighters from other promotions may have bigger purses on paper but when you cut out the 20-30% for the promoter, on top of the 15-25% for the manager/advisor and then add in the fact that the boxer is dealing straight with the distributors, the vendors, the site, and is getting a percentage of every hot dog, drink, program, t shirt, and ticket sold....the pbc fighters are killing it in take home money. Someone on dazn who is making a 10m purse is losing half that alone to promoter and manager, pays the taxes for the promoter, then loses another hefty percentage to taxes, gets no back end money, pays his corner, and ends of taking home less than half of that purse.....

[FLY TY]

The appeal of Spence vs Garcia is the potential upset of a man smashed in car. Spence did good numbers because of Mikey Garcia just like Thurman did because of Manny. Lets not make believe either is a big draw on their own because they're not.

Bro cut it out...

You guys on here kill me. When has Mikey ever done a ppv besides the one with Spence? Didn't he just pack a stadium full of 7K fans against Jesse Vargas? And didn't Spence just do the exact same ppv numbers against Porter, as he did with Mikey?

What, was Shawn Porter responsible for selling that one???

One thing you're right about, is it does take 2 credible fighters to sell a ppv, but Pacman is a proven draw, Mikey is the opposite.

Get your head out of your a$$. I'm done.

[Idunnoshet]

And out come the alt right Al Haymon haters like clockwork lol. It hurt doesn’t it boys....if the coloured bloke would just get out of the way then your idols Hearn and DLH would be doing so well lol. Pbc has been “failing” since 2015 right children? They failed their way into two contracts with FOX and Showtime while dazn USA teeters on failure, lawsuits, and forced reevaluation of contracts.....oh well, there’s always Pizza Patron......

" Alt Right " ? " Coloured bloke " ?
Are you that insecure that you must start with this low key race baiting B.S ?
Look at the comments.
Nobody mentions anything to do with race.
Yet like clockwork here you come with this shet.