Does Lomachenko Losing His 2nd Pro Fight PROVES NO MATTER AMATUER RECORD...

[TheBoxGod]

Does lomachenko lost to Salido in his 2nd pro fight** proves that no matter your amateur accomplishments, it shouldn't hold any influence over how you are ranked or moved in the pros.

Salido is a fighter someone like Lomachenko on paper should have won against easily.

And this isnt the only case, Robizy great amateur record lost, verdejo lost, etc etc. Tons of amateur greats who pretty much couldn't really hack it in the pros.

Should it be disallowed to allow a fighter to compete for a title so quick? Just because of his amateur record when everything states that every fighter no matter how great in the amateur needs to adjust to the pros?

** really his 8 pro fight, everyone over looks his 6 WSB pro style 5 rounder bouts he had.

[Legends456]

To answer your questions,

1. I wouldn’t say your amateur record means nothing, but it definitely shouldn’t mean everything.

2. No, I don’t think there should be any rules one way or another how soon someone can fight for a title. If the two parties agree to make a fight, so be it - and I don’t see why amateur records or how long someone has been a pro should make any difference one way or another.

[KidDinamita]

There should be more control on the weight rather than the amateur - pro thing.

Ok, amateur record doesn't mean everything, but in the case of Loma I think he needed another fight or two of experience, and even negotiation wise experience.

There were seasoned pros that tried olympic amateur boxing again and lost or got KOd, Amnat Ruenroeng is an example. Got KOd against an amateur.

Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam is another example, and in the pros we won against Ryota Murata, Martin Murray and Curtis Stevens.

[edgarg]

Does lomachenko lost to Salido in his 2nd pro fight** proves that no matter your amateur accomplishments, it shouldn't hold any influence over how you are ranked or moved in the pros.

Salido is a fighter someone like Lomachenko on paper should have won against easily.

And this isnt the only case, Robizy great amateur record lost, verdejo lost, etc etc. Tons of amateur greats who pretty much couldn't really hack it in the pros.

Should it be disallowed to allow a fighter to compete for a title so quick? Just because of his amateur record when everything states that every fighter no matter how great in the amateur needs to adjust to the pros?

** really his 8 pro fight, everyone over looks his 6 WSB pro style 5 rounder bouts he had.

Salido won barely, split dec. but he should have been DQ about 20 times over. Lomachenko didn't complain, showing he was a very good sport. His case is special. His amateur record was 396-1 the lone loss being avenged twice. Who could ever imagine a guy fighting 397 times and losing only once.

Even Papp, who fought about 330 amateur fights when they fought just like pros, with no headgear, and looser rules, and lost only 12 (some say 7) times, with 55 1st rd KOs...didn't fight a pro champ, until about his 20th fight, and then it was a European Champ. Still he won them all, except 2 draws against lt.heavys. But he was pnly a 5'5" middleweight with great disadvantages, very hard puncher but very brittle bones, and very short arms. But like a Bulldog, who could always turn it up a step or two as neccessary. And he was nearly 32 when be turned pro, because it was forbidden in a communist country. So he went to Austria, sometimes to Paris for sparing partners, but always retuned to Hungary, where he lived.. He was a great fighter also.

[Luilun]

No because he wasn't cherry picking He could have fought 15 bums than fought for a title . He could have avoided Lopez and let his arm healed than fought it's all up to Cherry picking not your amateur record. Floyd really lost to Castillo and Madaina if he didn't carefully select his matches he would have more loses If he fought Paul Williams and Margarito he would have 2 more losses. If Haney Garcia Lopez fought for the title on their 2nd pro fight they all would have lost

[BillyBoxing]

Does lomachenko lost to Salido in his 2nd pro fight** proves that no matter your amateur accomplishments, it shouldn't hold any influence over how you are ranked or moved in the pros.

Salido is a fighter someone like Lomachenko on paper should have won against easily.

And this isnt the only case, Robizy great amateur record lost, verdejo lost, etc etc. Tons of amateur greats who pretty much couldn't really hack it in the pros.

Should it be disallowed to allow a fighter to compete for a title so quick? Just because of his amateur record when everything states that every fighter no matter how great in the amateur needs to adjust to the pros?

** really his 8 pro fight, everyone over looks his 6 WSB pro style 5 rounder bouts he had.

NOPE, without that amateur experience, pedrigree, Loma would have been koed.

Salidoe derailed JuanMa Lopez career for exemple with two TKO, and gave Gamboa or Juan Ma Marquez tough fights.

Loma has serious balls to take a fight like that as a 2nd pro fight. And he lost a SD, not like he took a beating.

Should receive props for taking such fight instead of receiving "been exposed doe" comments, but boxing fans...we got the champs we deserve, protected paper stars.

[BillyBoxing]

No because he wasn't cherry picking He could have fought 15 bums than fought for a title . He could have avoided Lopez and let his arm healed than fought it's all up to Cherry picking not your amateur record. Floyd really lost to Castillo and Madaina if he didn't carefully select his matches he would have more loses If he fought Paul Williams and Margarito he would have 2 more losses. If Haney Garcia Lopez fought for the title on their 2nd pro fight they all would have lost

Agreed

Loma has 2 losses because he took risks, not because he's not a P4P level fighter.

Loma started at 126 faced the best 122 pounder in Rigo, the best 126 pounder in Russel, arguably the biggest threat at 130 in Walters, the best 135 pounder Lopez.

Loma fighting Lopez is kinda like Spence fighting Canelo or Canelo fighting Benavidez or Beterbiev ie fighting the young blue chip talented beast in a division were you are too small.
But Spence chasing the Porter of the world in his very first division, how do we know he's P4P top 3 when he's not even the best WW?

Spence would get body bagged by Canelo (Spence is too slow and not strong enough for Clenelo), Beterbiev would smile at Canelo best punches and brutalize him.
Canelo picked Kovalev, a guy who get koed twice in the very last years.


And it's not like Loma was ridiculous in there.

Loma didn't struggle more with Salido than Floyd did with Castillo, it is just that some styles, fighters are favored by the judge for whatever reason.

Lopez beat Loma IMO, reasonable cards are 6-6 or 7-5 8-4 Lopez, Lopez did more.


Crawford is the truth.

[STREET CLEANER]

No. Name any fighter that would fight for a title with an established fighter that was proven.

Kind of deceiving because Loma had 5 fights in that World Boxing tournament after the amateurs.

He paced himself too much in the beginning of the Salido fight and Salido came overweight with some fouling during the fight. It wasn't like Loma lost by a landslide, it was close fight and Salido was hurt at the end of the fight.

Loma had so much experience from that amateurs that his technic did not suffer, it was more the inexperience of going rounds with an experienced tough fighter.

[BillyBoxing]

Does lomachenko lost to Salido in his 2nd pro fight** proves that no matter your amateur accomplishments, it shouldn't hold any influence over how you are ranked or moved in the pros.

Salido is a fighter someone like Lomachenko on paper should have won against easily.

And this isnt the only case, Robizy great amateur record lost, verdejo lost, etc etc. Tons of amateur greats who pretty much couldn't really hack it in the pros.

Should it be disallowed to allow a fighter to compete for a title so quick? Just because of his amateur record when everything states that every fighter no matter how great in the amateur needs to adjust to the pros?

** really his 8 pro fight, everyone over looks his 6 WSB pro style 5 rounder bouts he had.

You are fighting other Amateurs in WSB, with amateur styles...

[QueensburyRules]

Does lomachenko lost to Salido in his 2nd pro fight** proves that no matter your amateur accomplishments, it shouldn't hold any influence over how you are ranked or moved in the pros.

Salido is a fighter someone like Lomachenko on paper should have won against easily.

And this isnt the only case, Robizy great amateur record lost, verdejo lost, etc etc. Tons of amateur greats who pretty much couldn't really hack it in the pros.

Should it be disallowed to allow a fighter to compete for a title so quick? Just because of his amateur record when everything states that every fighter no matter how great in the amateur needs to adjust to the pros?

** really his 8 pro fight, everyone over looks his 6 WSB pro style 5 rounder bouts he had.

- - What grade did they return U to this year?

2nd?