Ukrainians don't cheer Loma, Usyk?

[Punch on Tap]

I literally read no more after the bolded part.

That's one of your problems ......

NOBODY HATES YOU.......WHICH MAKES ALL ELSE YOU SAID MOOT.

99.9% of **********s do not hate ********s, myself included.

Maybe you should see who is attacking who and who is destroying what and get a better understanding of this as it's in your best interest.

P.S. I really did not read past the first line as it's pointless.
And I know I won't change your mind as one conversation will not overrule a lifetime of brainwashing but remember we had this conversation. Because if ***** get's elected president, Harris will actually be the president and it's already been decided by her backers that a communist regime will start taking over. When that happens, I hate to say that the majority of the public will not accept that. The heavily armed majority.

Race has nothing to do with it. Slavery and Civil rights violations are LONG OVER BUDDY and you are being USED. WISE UP

Bruh you wont even read beyond a few lines so I’m definitely not expecting you to actually have a debate. Just research stop and frisk in NYC. I grew up under that when we had a ********** mayor.

Where you live and the bubble you live in is not a reflection of all of America. Your experience is not the same as mine.

And of course it’s about hate. You literally said there will be blood before we go to communism. Dude listen to yourself. You’re talking about communism in 2020 in the most capitalist society in the history of the world.

Anyway. Good luck on Nov 4th when you’ll have to continue this “libs are delusional” elsewhere. Numbers don’t lie and the majority will speak.

[Boxing Goat]

Bruh you wont even read beyond a few lines so I’m definitely not expecting you to actually have a debate. Just research stop and frisk in NYC. I grew up under that when we had a ********** mayor.

Where you live and the bubble you live in is not a reflection of all of America. Your experience is not the same as mine.

And of course it’s about hate. You literally said there will be blood before we go to communism. Dude listen to yourself. You’re talking about communism in 2020 in the most capitalist society in the history of the world.

Anyway. Good luck on Nov 4th when you’ll have to continue this “libs are delusional” elsewhere. Numbers don’t lie and the majority will speak.

Look, I get where you're coming from but you need to wise up and see the big picture and not just look out for yourself. That's selfish. What's happening in America right now is selfishness and greed. THE ********IC PARTY FOUNDED THE KKK AND ANTIFA, WHICH IS MOSTLY MADE UP OF WHITE PEOPLE! You can't keep being this naïve.

That's all I'm saying on this subject other than I live in a city not much smaller than NYC by the way and was raised in a very diverse community. I know everything I'm saying first hand.

Whatever happens in the election, I wish the best for us all as Americans.

That's it

[Punch on Tap]

Look, I get where you're coming from but you need to wise up and see the big picture and not just look out for yourself. That's selfish. What's happening in America right now is selfishness and greed. THE ********IC PARTY FOUNDED THE KKK AND ANTIFA, WHICH IS MOSTLY MADE UP OF WHITE PEOPLE! You can't keep being this naïve.

That's all I'm saying on this subject other than I live in a city not much smaller than NYC by the way and was raised in a very diverse community. I know everything I'm saying first hand.

Whatever happens in the election, I wish the best for us all as Americans.

That's it

Thanks for that. I don’t want to have beef over words said.

I am very wise when it comes to American history but I also have a different take on it. The ********ic Party historically is the party of the enslavers. This I know. The ********** Party was that of Abraham Lincoln. This I also know.

But as it pertains to race and economics that all changed with the pinnacle of that change occurring during the civil rights movement. When JFK and eventually LBJ (who was the son of southern slave owners) decided to get on the right side of history.

That is when the loyalty to a party changed. The racist and the powers that be didn’t just disappear. They just switched parties as well.

If you know history things don’t just go away dude. They just transfer.

I’m on the side of progressive forward thinking people. Why? Well that’s what JFK and LBJ had to be. They had to think beyond the moment and do what was right.

Bringing up the history of either party prior to that point is completely irrelevant.

But this thread is about Ukraine. I just responded because I didn’t think *** needed to be brought into the convo.

America is at its best when people can meet in the middle about what they want. But everyone needs to re-evaluate what they want. Four years ago it was a wall and a caravan of immigrants coming to take over the country. Now it’s back to the Cold War propaganda. You have to be willing to read and educate yourself around the board. No one wants to anymore.

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I wasn’t talking about whatever the latest situation is. I don’t follow the news since George Floyd. There is no trap.

I’d be ignorant to say that there aren’t black people out there that are doing violent acts. But to conflate that with the *** movement is where you’re mistaken. If you want to understand the *** agenda you have to listen to their leaders not people who just wave their flag while they are clearly committing crime.

I can where a *** shirt and go do something and I will get placed into the movement because I had the shirt on.

Failure to listen to the messaging from the leaders in the movement is the reason why they’ve been labeled negatively in the first place.

There are people that want chaos and there a people that want change and equality. Unfortunately, it’s impossible to prevent people who don’t give a damn from entering those circles at the street level.

Just do your research and be open minded.

Some fair points but that last sentence I disagree with. The fact is every movement has a 'noble' goal, human beings aren't the evil caricatures we see in Hollywood movies - human beings have to operate under the idea that they are doing something for a good cause, not to serve 'the forces of evil'. The fact is if you have members of your group committing acts of violence and they go uncondemned by the leaders then it will reflect badly on your movement.


Anyway this is definitely my last comment in this thread, you make some fair points, but unfortunately there are some bad apples that seemingly are ignored.

[Boxing Goat]

Some fair points but that last sentence I disagree with. The fact is every movement has a 'noble' goal, human beings aren't the evil caricatures we see in Hollywood movies - human beings have to operate under the idea that they are doing something for a good cause, not to serve 'the forces of evil'. The fact is if you have members of your group committing acts of violence and they go uncondemned by the leaders then it will reflect badly on your movement.


Anyway this is definitely my last comment in this thread, you make some fair points, but unfortunately there are some bad apples that seemingly are ignored.

It's done purposely, unfortunately.

The US will never be a communist country. If someone wants that then they need to hit a boat.

I think everyone needs to understand that.

Just because there's no resistance right now doesn't mean there's no resistance out there.

[JAB5239]

Torn.


I couldn't see me not standing up for my countrymen, but, also, I appreciate those who keep politics out of boxing. Or at least detailed politics.


To be honest though, I don't see current events as the sole motivator for a Ukrainian being anti-Russian. Russian history is basically let's take over the land near us, oh no we've lost that land, boys we got power again let us take that land once more, and so on. I understand pro-Russian sentiment in nations that have been repeatedly bodied by Russia, at this point they are pretty Russian themselves. I also understand get yer yankee ass up off mah property just fine and in middle Eurasia region Russia plays the role of a Doodle.

So either way you cut it, I'm cool.

I wouldn't mind Usyk saying some such that amounts to "Russia is ****s" or some such, but, I'd hate for him to waste an interview spouting **** politicians tell him to


Mexico vs Puerto Rico goes back to Aztec vs Taino. It's cool and they do it right.

US vs UK banter is always fun as ****, has history, it's cool

Ukraine vs Russia could fit right in. Or, **** it, don't care.

And that's the thing. I agree with you....and wouldn't want to hear them be a mouthpiece for the politicians either, but their people, the people who come from the same place expect them to speak for THEM because they have a platform. Doesn't effect me either way, but I do understand the other side wanting a voice. It's kind of like Ali's voice in the 60's for black people in America. Just my opinion of course.

[deanrw]

They are not in a good position. They can take their country's side, piss off half their population as well as Russia or piss off the other side. They are not into politics and they should not have to play them.

[MoneyKasha]

What is Usyk’s view on Crimea?

[YoungManRumble]

Seemed like a ton of Ukrainians in the Chicago and nearby areas came out to see him vs Witherspoon

[satiev1]

i'm wondering if most native ukrainians feel this way? Both are awesome, but i guess i can see things through this guy's eyes as well. Interesting article.

http://thecomeback.com/queensberryru...omachenko.html

half of ukraine used to be part of russia. It was given to ukraine. 70 percent of ukranians are ethnic russians. Lomo and usyk are basically ethnic russians who changed their last name. The author is a **** ukranian who's a russophobe.