Canelo-GGG fights film study

[Thuglife Nelo]

A ton of people in this forum are not actual boxing fans, there's alot of trolls, haters and supporters from certain ethnicities, and even specifically certain promoters, and as soon a fighter loses (robbery or not), they will support the guy who has the boxing lobby, politics and media on his side, that just shows extremely weak character. They wont be able to answer your question. GGG dominated the first fight and thats at an age where he was already past prime at 35+, 2nd fight he was even older and still gave the supposed best P4P fighter hell, most people had GGG winning or a draw as can be seen in my signature. Just imagine a prime GGG, age 30, at the time he fought his first couple fights in the US vs Canelo. There's a reason he started to create his own weight classes, took PEDs, made every excuse possible and even dropped his belt to avoid GGG. Now he is actually suing DAZN and his own promoter because they told him to fight GGG again. What a clown.

yeah but let's be honest, you're a casual yourself. Anyone going off ''Jubei'' and GGG avatar as such is more of a comic con type fan that was in love of He-Man. GGG isn't Drago bruh.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Yeah judges look at the effect of the punches. Canelo's so called power punches couldn't deter Golovkin or hurt him. Pro judges are supposed to look at that and not buy into the hype.

If Canelo's power punches didn't ''deter'' then why couldn't GGG close the ring on Canelo. Closing the ring EFFECTIVELY means you land points on each CLOSING assault. Hence ''closing.'' Closing the ring are pressure fighters whom usually break down their opponents whom can't fight back and are getting hurt. That's the essence of closing the ring. Elites also know how to deter those closing the ring by setting up counters and timed shots. That's what Floyd enjoyed to do because he knew distance in every inch of the ring. Golovkin respected Canelo's power which is why he didn't go to the body. That's simply because Canelo is faster to counter. that is why, GGG just fought behind a jab but was getting reciprocated with better shots from Canelo. don't get angry that it was a fair Draw.

[TonyGe]

First one was a Draw. Posts like yours, even though you have a right to your opinion, really stir GGG diehards.

What GGG diehards and Canelo fans need to realize is that a majority of judges or the nature of judges help evaluate compubox theory. Sure fans complain about compubox, but it can't always be applied to every fight nor the same circumstances. For example high volume workrates in guys like a Santa Cruz once upon a time or a Figueroa Jr. whom would do an onslaught of punches would have a narrative of ''out worked'' their opponents (and landing) by 3:1. That's what GGG diehards and Canelo haters try to apply with the Canelo vs GGG fight. Golovkin landing 1/3 shots whom is usually an accurate puncher, and those shots were all just jabs.

So GGG diehards use a failed excuse to apply ineffective work rate and accuracy and simply go by jabs landed. Imagine if Canelo just threw jabs for all his power shots. It would look like a jab contest. This is the circumstance and context that the judges weigh and what was expected.

Moretti had it close. Had Moretti had 1 swing round to Canelo then there would've been two cards a Draw. Had Trella had 1 swing round to Canelo then Canelo would've won a split decision or vise versa. This is what GGG diehards don't understand about a close fight. You judge how to swing it from 114-114 to either fighter. Notice how no GGG diehards or industry even mention that nor the names of Moretti or Trella. Instead, they deflect to Byrd to create an instance that her vote made a difference. She couldve had it 115-113 for Canelo and it would've still been a Draw.

Fans get too emotional they don't know how to score fights. It was one of the most enjoyable fights, but fans don't respect the outcome of a Draw because they're not looking to how a balance of voting works for a decision. Their second fight was even better, different, stylistically, and a bigger war. It proves benefit of doubt to both fighters in the first fight. That's it! The fact that their performances were significantly better shows that the judges expected more from them in the first fight.

GGG missed a lot of shots trying to close the ring on each corner on Canelo. Canelo rolled with many shots, ducked, reset, went backwards in a loop over and over again each round. Casuals don't understand how hard that is. Canelo was able to keep GGG at distance every time in the fight. That's where GGG was expected to make it a close quarters fight when his ring cutting didn't work. And again, Canelo didn't do enough to win. Neither did. I wouldn't even be angry had GGG won since Golovkin didn't dominate Canelo for what was to be expected. GGG diehards know that but insist in amateur tallying for missed shots or activity vs the more composed and sharp fighter.

Who cares how hard it is to slip punches. He wasn't landing enough punches. Why would Golovkin engage in a shootout when Canelo was on the ropes. All he had to do was stay outside and throw enough punches to keep Canelo from coming forward hit him with stiff jabs and mix in some power punches. Canelo's corner was telling him to stay off the ropes because they could see as most people could that Canelo was more effective off the ropes. His fight plan was a disaster. Go back and watch the first fight again. Canelo gave away too many minutes of too many rounds moving backwards and staying on the ropes slipping shots and not punching. As far as critiquing Golovkin's use of the jab goes at least he was in an offensive posture. Who the heck wants to see two guys backpedaling in the ring for 12 rounds. This isn't amature boxing. The problem is that you are the one that doesn't understand boxing. Moretti and Trella have been critisized numerous times on the forum for their scoring of the first fight.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Who cares how hard it is. He wasn't landing enough punches. Why would Golovkin engage in a shootout when Canelo was on the ropes. All he had to do was stay outside and throw enough punches to keep Canelo from coming forward hit him with stiff jabs and mix in some power punches. Canelo's corner was telling him to stay off the ropes because they could see as most people could that Canelo was more effective off the ropes. His fight plan was a disaster. Go back and watch the first fight again. Canelo gave away too many minutes of too many rounds moving backwards and staying on the ropes slipping shots and not punching. As far as critiquing Golovkin's use of the jab goes at least he was in an offensive posture. Who the heck wants to see two guys backpedaling in the ring for 12 rounds. This isn't amature boxing. The problem is that you are the one that doesn't understand boxing. Moretti and Trella have been critisized numerous times on the forum for their scoring of the first fight.

I don't ever criticize GGG's skills, techniques, or Ring IQ. In boxing, we discuss gameplans. In fact some fighters their whole career fight the same style... Take Gallo Estrada...amazing and entertaining fighter to watch, but imo basic if you compare that style to Canelo Alvarez. Circumstance and context is everything in prize fighting. Judges absorb that which is natural. The judges know who they were and what to expect. It's not even a big deal. I enjoyed the fight. I felt it was a glorified sparring session. that's good for the sport for new gen to watch and learn from, or preparing for a rematch. Both GGG and Canelo delivered one of the best rematch series of the last decade. Imo far better than Ward vs Kovalev. Referring to P4P elites going at it. A lot of it is preference too, not bias. If GGG and Canelo fought exactly the same, as some other fighers do, then it'd be a different scenario. Both GGG and Canelo showed skills and Ring IQ at the upper echelon level. Canelo's movement was entertaining to watch just like GGG's movement in trying to close the ring. If you like just jabs then that's all you. If you like countering and power punches along with movement then that's all me. Context is everything. It was GGG vs Canelo

[TonyGe]

If Canelo's power punches didn't ''deter'' then why couldn't GGG close the ring on Canelo. Closing the ring EFFECTIVELY means you land points on each CLOSING assault. Hence ''closing.'' Closing the ring are pressure fighters whom usually break down their opponents whom can't fight back and are getting hurt. That's the essence of closing the ring. Elites also know how to deter those closing the ring by setting up counters and timed shots. That's what Floyd enjoyed to do because he knew distance in every inch of the ring. Golovkin respected Canelo's power which is why he didn't go to the body. That's simply because Canelo is faster to counter. that is why, GGG just fought behind a jab but was getting reciprocated with better shots from Canelo. don't get angry that it was a fair Draw.

Do you even know what a jab is? It's a scoring punch. Is one of the most effective and usefull punches in boxing. Compubox to the detriment of boxing has taken it upon themselves to seperate it from other punches which they termed power punches. It makes no difference to them if the power punches don't deter the opponent, hurt him or stop him from advancing. It takes skill and intelligence to consistantly land jabs on another highly skilled opponent who is bent on not getting hit. Canelo implemented the wrong game plan in that first fight which his corner corrected in the rematch. If both men land punches and neither one is visably hurt or intimidated by them then the punches count the same.

[TonyGe]

I don't ever criticize GGG's skills, techniques, or Ring IQ. In boxing, we discuss gameplans. In fact some fighters their whole career fight the same style... Take Gallo Estrada...amazing and entertaining fighter to watch, but imo basic if you compare that style to Canelo Alvarez. Circumstance and context is everything in prize fighting. Judges absorb that which is natural. The judges know who they were and what to expect. It's not even a big deal. I enjoyed the fight. I felt it was a glorified sparring session. that's good for the sport for new gen to watch and learn from, or preparing for a rematch. Both GGG and Canelo delivered one of the best rematch series of the last decade. Imo far better than Ward vs Kovalev. Referring to P4P elites going at it. A lot of it is preference too, not bias. If GGG and Canelo fought exactly the same, as some other fighers do, then it'd be a different scenario. Both GGG and Canelo showed skills and Ring IQ at the upper echelon level. Canelo's movement was entertaining to watch just like GGG's movement in trying to close the ring. If you like just jabs then that's all you. If you like countering and power punches along with movement then that's all me. Context is everything. It was GGG vs Canelo

If you like just jabs? You actually said that? Golovkin landed plenty of other punches and Canelo landed numerous jabs in that second fight. The fact of the matter is Canelo's power punches did not hurt Golovkin or force him out of the center of the ring in the rematch and Canelo got out landed in the majority of the rounds.

[Thuglife Nelo]

If you like just jabs? You actually said that? Golovkin landed plenty of other punches and Canelo landed numerous jabs in that second fight. The fact of the matter is Canelo's power punches did not hurt Golovkin or force him out of the center of the ring in the rematch and Canelo got out landed in the majority of the rounds.

When fans say GGG respected Canelo’s power or vise versa it doesn’t mean someone was “hurt.”