Lopez now @135 = Broner when he was at 135.

[pretty ste]

Exposed you mean Loma was exposed by being out box by Lopez

[Jubei]

Broner is absolute garbage, has not beaten anybody relevant. His claim to fame is a razor close win vs a shot Malignaggi. Wow. Amazing.

[whollisboxing]

Broner at 135 was a good, but not great, fighter. He had largely abandoned his offense-first style and increased his counterpunching after beating Ponce de Leon - a fight some felt that Broner lost.

He idolized Floyd, just like Lopez apparently now does, even to the point of trying to master the shoulder roll defense.

But key points.

Broner, like Lopez, always wanted to fight at range. The only times he was in any sort of trouble is when his opponent had a higher workrate or was able to deal with him on the inside.

So here's the question.

Who is Lopez's Ponce de Leon? In other words, who's inside game is so strong that it "exposes" Lopez?

I don't know as far as inside game, however I think Loma showed in rounds 8-11 that a strong midrange game is what truly troubles Lopez. Loma didn't charge in like a typical brawler looking for body shots and he didn't stick and move either. He moved within range and landed southpaw jabs and straight lefts while looking out for counter right uppercuts

Teo shells up and looks for big counters instead of moving his head. I'm sure that's partly by design so he can stay in position to attack. It's also clear that he trusts his chin to hold up, which it has and did against Loma.

The only issue I see is if he faces someone who is content to score vs trying to inflict damage. Loma did it for 4-5 rounds and I'm curious to see how Teo would handle that over 12.

With all that said, Teofimo Lopez beat Lomachenko clean as a 4-1 underdog and I'm not gonna switch up the narrative just because I picked against him. Loma wasn't too old or too small going into the fight so Teo deserves full credit

[Combat Talk Radio]

This thread makes you look really bad revelated.

Broner never got help for issues outside of the ring. Teo went and got help for issues.

Teo is not known to engage in the same type of out of training behavior that Broner has exhibited.

Lastly Teo hasn’t had any experience yet being the type of draw Broner was. Broner obviously got caught up in all the hype.

You seem desperate to denigrate Teo because you picked Loma to win.

You can do better than this.

So you seriously didn't see Lopez struggling in the trenches and in the clinch late rounds (thus why he had to resort to dirty tactics to keep Loma off him)?

Be honest - YOU are better than that.

I do not think anyone's inside game is strong enough to bow Lopez down if you will, if Lomachenko couldn't do it who we know has got good pop and who can land complex combos on the inside to the point he has been dubbed the "MATRIX a fictional storyline where the laws of physics does not apply to the chosen one" couldn't do it I dont see others doing it. Now he might get rocked by a more Powerful puncher on the inside but thats different than getting bested skillwise on the inside (small distinction that ultimately is irrelevant as the end goal is to just do damage but in breaking down a fighters skills etc it matters).

About the shoulder roll, using the shoulder roll does not necessarily mean you idolize Floyd, the shoulder roll is actually a superior technique in blocking certain punches to allow you to counter out of with a more powerful counter as opposed to boxing's traditional guard that does not put you into position to explode out with a powerful counter when you block a certain shot.

On the first paragraph, Loma has never been known to be a strong inside fighter. Good, but not strong. I'm talking about Valero-levels of inside aggression.

Lopez DOES idolize Floyd, as seen here that I posted before and people ignored:




Every fighter that has tried to shoulder roll - Berto, Broner, etc. - have admitted that they looked up to Floyd's defense and tried to adapt it into their game. Lopez is no different in that regard. Otherwise he'd just go out there swinging.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I don't know as far as inside game, however I think Loma showed in rounds 8-11 that a strong midrange game is what truly troubles Lopez. Loma didn't charge in like a typical brawler looking for body shots and he didn't stick and move either. He moved within range and landed southpaw jabs and straight lefts while looking out for counter right uppercuts

Teo shells up and looks for big counters instead of moving his head. I'm sure that's partly by design so he can stay in position to attack. It's also clear that he trusts his chin to hold up, which it has and did against Loma.

The only issue I see is if he faces someone who is content to score vs trying to inflict damage. Loma did it for 4-5 rounds and I'm curious to see how Teo would handle that over 12.

With all that said, Teofimo Lopez beat Lomachenko clean as a 4-1 underdog and I'm not gonna switch up the narrative just because I picked against him. Loma wasn't too old or too small going into the fight so Teo deserves full credit

The bold is interesting. Hearkens back to Crawford/Postol.

Postol, a natural counter puncher that NSB said was a world beater, was nullified by Crawford not because of specific things Crawford did, but because Postol kept waiting for counter opportunities that never came.

So if Lopez, a person who does sit back and wait for counters, fights someone who doesn't engage and stays at range, may frustrate Lopez into traps. And Lopez was eating shots even against Loma who was much smaller.

The thing is, very few fighters at 135 can really do that. Tank maybe, assuming he makes weight easy, which isn't easy. Ryan Garcia DEFINITELY (to me that is a BAD style matchup for Teo).

[TheBoxGod]

On the first paragraph, Loma has never been known to be a strong inside fighter. Good, but not strong. I'm talking about Valero-levels of inside aggression.

Lopez DOES idolize Floyd, as seen here that I posted before and people ignored:




Every fighter that has tried to shoulder roll - Berto, Broner, etc. - have admitted that they looked up to Floyd's defense and tried to adapt it into their game. Lopez is no different in that regard. Otherwise he'd just go out there swinging.

IDK where you posted that video cause it shows up no where for me on this thread but on this post here you just made.

And that is not necessarily idolizing that is recognizing the blueprint of a fighter who accomplished what you are trying to accomplish and looking to apply that blueprint to your own journey. idolizing will be what Broner has done in the past and called himself the next mawyeather etc as if Mayweather is the end all to your journey, infact what Lopez is doing is the opposite by actually calling out fighters who want to be Maywather and .... blah blah this convo bores me.

Theirs more to boxing than just shoulder roll and all out swinging lol it isnt either/or.

[Combat Talk Radio]

idolizing will be what Broner has done in the past and called himself the next mawyeather etc...

Like I ALSO posted before (these are different threads, brother):

[TheBoxGod]

Like I ALSO posted before (these are different threads, brother):

well guess he does. Its all good, mayweather is the best. I wasn't arguing that he does or doesnt necessarily I was arguing your initial argument about using the shoulder roll automatically means you idolize maywaether when that isnt the case.

[kidbazooka]

Mfers still crying trying to make themselves feel better. Ya boy lost. Deal with it.

Yup

They’ve completely lost it lol

[Combat Talk Radio]

Yup

They’ve completely lost it lol

It's bad when you're SO far in the red K that I can't take you any further. But since you don't want to discuss boxing on a DISCUSSION forum, I can revoke your card.