Loma, GGG, & Kovalev are a combined 0-5-1 in megafights vs USA or Hispanic opponents

[Boxing Logic]

i See the Klitchko brothers were conveniently left off the list, along with Bivol, Usyk at Cruiser etc etc

Can you people not just enjoy watching the best fighters wherever they come from?

Vitali Klitschko's two losses came against American Chris Byrd, and UK Lamon Brewster. And Wladimir was looking completely dominant, getting better with age into his late 30s, right until boxing started to become really popular in the UK, and then immediately got old just in time to lose to the two most marketable boxers in the entire UK.

So, thank you for proving my point, with that one.

I'm trying to remember the last time a top talent in boxing without a big fanbase beat a top talent in boxing with a big fanbase in his prime. Rigondeaux vs Donaire, but Rigo never caught on with the fans so he became a stepping stone for Loma, even quit. In hindsight, very su****ious. And besides that one rare example, I can't even think of any.

Bivol

Can't even get a megafight vs a top prime opponent at all, let alone win it.

Usyk at Cruiser

That's because there are no marketable Americans or Hispanics at cruiserweight! If there were, Usyk probably would have lost to them in the WBSS. You are making my point for me. The only division that Eastern Euros win their big fights in is cruiserweight because the promoters are busy using the Americans and Mexicans their size to make way more money at heavyweight! Andy Ruiz is shorter than Usyk, but he gets to pack on fat and fight at heavyweight because he's more marketable. Usyk meanwhile has to start at cruiserweight, manufacture a hardcore following at cruiserweight, then become marketable enough to become a heavyweight B-side, then wait in line behind huge names like Kubrat Pulev... imagine Canelo or Floyd having to wait in line behind Kubrat Pulev, lol... wait in line for probably 2-3 years to get a fight for the heavyweight champ he's supposed to be mandatory for, Anthony Joshua... and then, based on what we saw with Canelo vs Kovalev and Loma vs Teofimo Lopez, I can only guess that Usyk will find a way to lose to Joshua anyway, because Joshua is much more marketable than him, which would once again prove my point...

And I've wasted enough time making that point, already. So I will leave it there, I don't want to waste time posting on here anymore. Peace

[Boxing Logic]

Amatuers is absolutely nothing like the pros. Salido vs Lomachenko proved that easily.

So what pro experience did Teofimo Lopez have against Eastern block fighters like Lomachenko?

Your argument is that eastern bloc fighters don't get experience against American and Hispanic styles in the pros until it's too late, and that's why they lose those fights, so then how did Teofimo Lopez get the experience to beat Eastern Bloc fighters, especially Loma, if, as you say, eastern euro boxers and American boxers are not exposed to each other, and pro experience is most important? From what I can tell on his boxrec...

...in 15 pro fights before Loma, Teofimo Lopez had ZERO fights against Eastern Euro fighters. ZERO. So how did he have the experience to fight Loma's style, which he has never seen in the pros, but Loma didn't have the experience to beat his style? You make no sense lol.

You really don't make any sense, and I am tired of posting on here. Peace

[TheBoxGod]

So what pro experience did Teofimo Lopez have against Eastern block fighters like Lomachenko?

Your argument is that eastern bloc fighters don't get experience against American and Hispanic styles in the pros until it's too late, and that's why they lose those fights, so then how did Teofimo Lopez get the experience to beat Eastern Bloc fighters, especially Loma, if, as you say, eastern euro boxers and American boxers are not exposed to each other, and pro experience is most important? From what I can tell on his boxrec...

...in 15 pro fights before Loma, Teofimo Lopez had ZERO fights against Eastern Euro fighters. ZERO. So how did he have the experience to fight Loma's style, which he has never seen in the pros, but Loma didn't have the experience to beat his style? You make no sense lol.

You really don't make any sense, and I am tired of posting on here. Peace

You dont need any, eastern euro blocks are basic. Fundamentally great but thats where their story ends. Which is why they are great amatuers cause that style translate to amatuers but Mexican style doesn translate to amateurs. This is the reason Lomachenko beat probably 100's of Salidos in the amatuers but couldnt beat em in the pros.

[Boxing Logic]

You dont need any, eastern euro blocks are basic.

Lomachenko is basic now, lol?

Nah, you know what, I agree with you. When it's time for them to become stepping stones for more marketable American/Hispanic boxers, they become basic. Before that, they look spectacular, in order to gain some sort of following and hype. And then they use that built up hype as a stepping stone for an American or Hispanic boxer, at which point the dominant, multi dimensional eastern euro fighter, like Loma, immediately becomes one dimensional.

I think I finally understand all the ****** "My father plays the video game, I'm just like the character he controls" lines by Lomachenko in the lead up to this fight. Maybe that was supposed to be some sort of subliminal message that "I can't actually adjust in the ring, I'm just pre-programmed by my father, once someone makes some counters to my normal set of moves, I won't know what to do and I will lose. That's why I lost this one guys."

As if, in reality, Lomachenko's father didn't also teach him how to adjust in the ring himself. As if, in reality, Lomachenko wouldn't learn how to do that naturally after 400 amateur fights and 2 Olympic gold medals. As if, in reality, the exact purpose of the mental exercises Loma does in training with the flashing lights, and the mind puzzles with his psychologist, is not to teach him to adjust and adapt quickly on the fly.

What video game character is there that does mind exercises? Video game characters don't have their own minds, they are pre-programmed. Lomachenko not only has his own mind, it is indeed a main focus of his training. But vs Lopez, he truly did fight like a scripted, pre-programmed video game character, just as he, in a sense, foreshadowed. And it fits perfectly into the narrative you are repeating to me in your above post, except for the fact the narrative is ****** and makes no sense. It makes for a nice excuse for why so many fight outcomes are so illogical and inconsistent compared to the abilities demonstrated in preceding fights of the two fighters in the ring, but it doesn't make sense, it's as illogical and inconsistent as the outcomes of the fights.

You're right about one thing. Loma did look basic vs Teofimo. He did look pre-programmed. The problem is, Loma his entire career, pro and amateur, has not been basic OR pre-programmed. Only vs Salido, but Loma had shown huge improvement since then, and there were a handful of legitimate extenuating circumstances with that fight (missed weight, low blows, 2nd pro fight first ever 12 round fight which explains why he started so late then. There is zero such explanation why he started late vs Teofimo). And Teofimo's style is nothing like Salido's anyway. So your explanation makes no sense and is illogical, in my opinion.

[TheBoxGod]

Lomachenko is basic now, lol?

Nah, you know what, I agree with you. When it's time for them to become stepping stones for more marketable American/Hispanic boxers, they become basic. Before that, they look spectacular, in order to gain some sort of following and hype. And then they use that built up hype as a stepping stone for an American or Hispanic boxer, at which point the dominant, multi dimensional eastern euro fighter, like Loma, immediately becomes one dimensional.

I think I finally understand all the ****** "My father plays the video game, I'm just like the character he controls" lines by Lomachenko in the lead up to this fight. Maybe that was supposed to be some sort of subliminal message that "I can't actually adjust in the ring, I'm just pre-programmed by my father, once someone makes some counters to my normal set of moves, I won't know what to do and I will lose. That's why I lost this one guys."

As if, in reality, Lomachenko's father didn't also teach him how to adjust in the ring himself. As if, in reality, Lomachenko wouldn't learn how to do that naturally after 400 amateur fights and 2 Olympic gold medals. As if, in reality, the exact purpose of the mental exercises Loma does in training with the flashing lights, and the mind puzzles with his psychologist, is not to teach him to adjust and adapt quickly on the fly.

What video game character is there that does mind exercises? Video game characters don't have their own minds, they are pre-programmed. Lomachenko not only has his own mind, it is indeed a main focus of his training. But vs Lopez, he truly did fight like a scripted, pre-programmed video game character, just as he, in a sense, foreshadowed. And it fits perfectly into the narrative you are repeating to me in your above post, except for the fact the narrative is ****** and makes no sense. It makes for a nice excuse for why so many fight outcomes are so illogical and inconsistent compared to the prior abilities of the two fighters in the ring, but it doesn't make sense, it's as illogical and inconsistent as the outcomes of the fights.

You're right about one thing. Loma did look basic vs Teofimo. He did look pre-programmed. The problem is, Loma his entire career, pro and amateur, has not been basic OR pre-programmed. Only vs Salido, but Loma had shown huge improvement since then. And Teofimo's style is nothing like Salido's anyway. So your explanation makes no sense and is illogical, in my opinion.

Fundamentally basic yes but thats not to say he is not performing at the peak level of those fundamentals, and if you cant see that than IDK...... rethink your high self opinion of your boxing expertise.

[Boxing Logic]

Fundamentally basic yes but thats not to say he is not performing at the peak level of those fundamentals, and if you cant see that than IDK...... rethink your high self opinion of your boxing expertise.

So if Lomachenko is fundamentally basic, what is Lopez "fundamentally"? Not basic? Lopez is supposed to be a more advanced technical boxer than Loma now? Is that really what you want to go with?

[Robbie Barrett]

I guess they were overrated like a lot of people said.

[Pigeons]

White people and half-Asians can't fight.

[joesaiditstrue]

dude shut the fk up lol
some sketchy at scores in all of those fights

[Rick Taylor]

Lomachenko is basic now,

journeymen usually are