Loma, GGG, & Kovalev are a combined 0-5-1 in megafights vs USA or Hispanic opponents

[Boxing Logic]

Loma vs Lopez: 0-1. Kovalev vs Ward twice: 0-2. Kovalev vs Canelo: 0-1. GGG vs Canelo twice: 0-1-1.

I believe they were the favorite going into all these fights except Canelo-Kovalev. The favorite is supposed to win 50% of the time or more, so for them to lose all 5 times they were favored or 50-50 is even less likely than a coin flip landing on the same side 5 times in a row.

The odds of that happening, without any outside manipulation, is 3%. Consider that Loma was a 4-1 favorite vs Lopez, and GGG was like 3-2 vs Canelo in 1 or both their fights, and the number is, I think, less than 1%.

Without outside manipulation, that is.

[Armchairhero]

At least they took the fights, you fight hard fights and sometimes you get beat.

[Boxing Logic]

At least they took the fights, you fight hard fights and sometimes you get beat.

Did they though? I think sometimes you don't fight hard, and that's why you get beat. When a circus performer performs, do they say screw everyone else in the circus, I'm just going to do whatever moves I want on stage to make myself look good, screw everyone else, or do they, in contrast, always perform as part of the larger circus, in order to do what is best for the overall circus production, the way that it has been planned to go with all the other performers in the production?

Just saying....

[Armchairhero]

Did they though? I think sometimes you don't fight hard, and that's why you get beat. When a circus performer performs, do they say screw everyone else in the circus, I'm just going to do whatever moves I want on stage to make myself look good, screw everyone else, or do they, in contrast, always perform as part of the larger circus, in order to do what is best for the overall circus production, the way that it has been planned to go with all the other performers in the production?

Just saying....

I don’t agree, two best fighters at the weight clash and it’s a hard nights work on both sides.. this should be the norm, only reason it doesn’t is because boxing isn’t a sport

[TheBoxGod]

I consider the Hispanic and USA as the same block imo, they come up together and sharpen each other. An American Black fighter cannot be successful if he cannot handle a "Mexican" Style fighter and a Mexican "Hispanic" fighter cannot be successful if they cannot handle a American Black style. These Eastern Euro block fighters do not see neither style till its at the elite level and by the time its too late and they get conquered.

[stealthradon]

Loma vs Lopez: 0-1. Kovalev vs Ward twice: 0-2. Kovalev vs Canelo: 0-1. GGG vs Canelo twice: 0-1-1.

I believe they were the favorite going into all these fights except Canelo-Kovalev. The favorite is supposed to win 50% of the time or more, so for them to lose all 5 times they were favored or 50-50 is even less likely than a coin flip landing on the same side 5 times in a row.

The odds of that happening, without any outside manipulation, is 3%. Consider that Loma was a 4-1 favorite vs Lopez, and GGG was like 3-2 vs Canelo in 1 or both their fights, and the number is, I think, less than 1%.

Without outside manipulation, that is.

Odd how you forgot a few fights..
Kov vs Yarde.
Kov vs Hopkins.
GGG vs Jacobs

[Boxing Logic]

Odd how you forgot a few fights..
Kov vs Yarde.
Kov vs Hopkins.
GGG vs Jacobs

Those aren't megafights lol. Megafights means vs top tier talents, P4P type talents. Canelo, Ward. Lopez was borderline, but he had every tool in the book, was undefeated and prime. There's a reason Loma vs Lopez was looked at as the biggest challenge of Loma's career so far, and the fight to finally be the first step of proving Loma's potential, the kind of fight that was supposed to happen with Loma vs Mikey but never did.

Yarde was not considered blue chip like Lopez, although arguably, they're the same fighter. But Yarde losing helped set up Kovalev for Canelo, so that's another aspect to that one.

Hopkins was ancient.

Jacobs... don't make me laugh.

[Armchairhero]

i See the Klitchko brothers were conveniently left off the list, along with Bivol, Usyk at Cruiser etc etc

Can you people not just enjoy watching the best fighters wherever they come from?

[Boxing Logic]

I consider the Hispanic and USA as the same block imo, they come up together and sharpen each other. An American Black fighter cannot be successful if he cannot handle a "Mexican" Style fighter and a Mexican "Hispanic" fighter cannot be successful if they cannot handle a American Black style. These Eastern Euro block fighters do not see neither style till its at the elite level and by the time its too late and they get conquered.

They see these styles all the time in the amateurs, and coming up in the pros. What you wrote would make good a good PR defense for why arguably the 3 most dominant looking fighters of the era ended up failing to win a single of their 6 megafights vs American and Hispanic stars, but I don't think it passes the smell test.

Not to mention, if Eastern Euro block fighters don't get experience vs American and Hispanic fighters until it's too late, then how do American and hIspanic fighters get experience vs Eastern Euro block fighters (before it's too late for them) LOL?

A top American can't get experience vs a top eastern euro without the top eastern euro also getting experience vs a top American. Your comment could explain why Hispanic and American fighters are more familiar with each other's styles than they are with Eastern Euro block styles, and vice versa, which would cancel out anyway, but it fails to explain why Eastern Euro block fighters would be more unprepared for American and Hispanic styles than they would be for Eastern Euro block styles.

So really, no offense, your response is ridiculous. No one has to agree with my opinion, but at least post opinions that make sense.

[TheBoxGod]

They see these styles all the time in the amateurs, and coming up in the pros. What you wrote would make good a good PR defense for why arguably the 3 most dominant looking fighters of the era ended up failing to win a single of their 6 megafights vs American and Hispanic stars, but I don't think it passes the smell test.

Not to mention, if Eastern Euro block fighters don't get experience vs American and Hispanic fighters until it's too late, then how do American and hIspanic fighters get experience vs Eastern Euro block fighters (before it's too late for them) LOL?

A top American can't get experience vs a top eastern euro without the top eastern euro also getting experience vs a top American. Your comment could explain why Hispanic and American fighters are more familiar with each other's styles than they are with Eastern Euro block styles, and vice versa, which would cancel out anyway, but it fails to explain why Eastern Euro block fighters would be more unprepared for American and Hispanic styles than they would be for Eastern Euro block styles.

So really, no offense, your response is ridiculous. No one has to agree with my opinion, but at least post opinions that make sense.

Amatuers is absolutely nothing like the pros. Salido vs Lomachenko proved that easily.