How did Top Rank and Lomachenko fool so many of you?

[mrpain81]

I first saw Loma during the 2008 summer games, he is definitely a super talented fighter who is great and should be regarded as first ballot HOF'er. But recently the hype with ESPN has gotten out of control, he looked tentative for the first 6-7 rounds. He basically gave away the fight for the fear of getting starched early, I think the talking got to him.

Definitely a top talent but now we can stop with the top P4P and possibly greatest fighter ever talk.

[ShoulderRoll]

I'm asking you to cite the things you are referring to, I can't respond again to generalities. I already did that.

Stuff like this :

"Canelo...young green drained...Pac old waited him out should have fought 5 years earlier...Cotto good win but good style matchup...Gatti, really...Corralles good win...yeah a good list but hardly without some criticism. "

Have you ever applied those same standards to Lomachenko's resume?

[BoZz]

So now a win over a green drained Canelo, and Ricky Hatton, are indicative of greatness...but Walters and Rigo etc are not. Like you're nuts man.

If you want to give Floyd props do it for what he did at LW etc. But you probably don't know anything about that so don't let me stop you from looking a fool

See how you mentioned Walters and Rigo then proceeded with the 'etc'....homie there is no etc that's it, that's his "greatness" right there lol

A walters who came for a pay check who didn't even fight back, took the pay check to lose and never fought since homie...not one fight since he threw the fight..go check for yo self

And a small Rigo who came up in weight just to quit? Yea you're right Loma deserves respect and to be put in the hall of fame for those two wins

Dude you are doing a great job making yourself look bad...

Mayweather's wins over unbeaten hatton and canelo alone sh** on lomachenko's whole amateur and pro career...and don't forget he beat an all time great fighter like pacquiao

Discrediting mayweather but defending a guy with a questionable 14-2 record...wow lol

[Boxing-1013]

Stuff like this :

"Canelo...young green drained...Pac old waited him out should have fought 5 years earlier...Cotto good win but good style matchup...Gatti, really...Corralles good win...yeah a good list but hardly without some criticism. "

Have you ever applied those same standards to Lomachenko's resume?

Yes if people go on and on and on about how great they are, then it is fair to provide balance to a win, like say Loma's over Rigo or Walters. Fair to point out that Rigo was moving up in weight and older. Walters inactive. But I think Loma's performances in those 2 fights are the real talking points there.

Like if I were asked to give my comment on Floyd-Pac - I would say

Floyd won 8-4...but I do feel he waited that fight out until it became more winnable for him. Should have happened 5 years prior.

On Loma's win vs Rigo - Great win, though Rigo was a little old at that time, and was moving up in weight. Loma dominated him though which was very impressive.

I provide objective analysis on all those situations. I don't give extra points for or against someone just because they share traits that I do, or because we are in some SJW nightmare where you feel like you have to make every single thing equal when sometimes situations are different, and that's OK. It generally works itself out in the end.

[TheReadyTimeBoy]

Loma IS an ATG level talent. Lopez was just too big and strong. Y'all just don't know enough about the sport to comprehend this.

Loma isn't a backfoot defensive wizard like Floyd. He likes to come forward and use his angles. Lopez backed him up and Loma felt that power.

[BoZz]

Canelo...young green drained...Pac old waited him out should have fought 5 years earlier...Cotto good win but good style matchup...Gatti, really...Corralles good win...yeah a good list but hardly without some criticism.

Floyd was great at the lower weights and really solid at the higher weights. But he never took risks in the later days, there is no real doubt about that. He maxed on the money and minimized the risk. Only an idiot would argue otherwise

Pacquiao old? Mayweather is older than pacquiao...and we all know arum didn't want pacquiao to fight mayweather...as he once said; Mayweather is the greatest fighter he has seen...those were Pacquiao's promoters words not mine

And I don't really care what you think of Floyd, you can hate on hi m as much a you want. I know how great he is and what he has done. But you are making yourself look bad with defending a mediocre fighter with a 14-2 record while discrediting floyd..something ain't right there.

And Canelo wasn't drained, you have nothing to say or a legitimate reply so now you're making things up, de la hoya was drained against pacquiao, that I could agree on but I can't agree with you making unbiased comments just because you are upset your hero lost today. And you're using Floyd's 50-0 record to make a point or to defend lomachenkos loss. Stay on topic...the topic is loma got exposed today lol

[MoneyKasha]

Blinded by the white lol.

what does race have to do with anything here, racist...... you still mad that Fury smashed Wilder?

[Sheikh]

De La Hoya is not a great fighter at the level of guys you mentioned. He won belts in multiple weight classes but he was the ultra paper champion and lost most of his big fights

[Divine Hammer]

lomachenko won 7-5 or 8-4

[Motorcity Cobra]

Loma takes as many real risks as any fighter I've seen. That is commendable. When you take real risks, sometimes you lose.

I agree

RJJ knows that himself. Saying ODLH is better than Loma is kind of crazy man, no offense. Like come on, find someone else

All of Oscar's loses have come to hall of fame fighters

Trinidad
Mosely
Floyd
Hopkins
Pacquiao

He took risks.

Loma has lost to Salido who is not a hall of famer and Teo who may or may not end up in the hall of fame. What hall of fame fighters has Loma faced let alone beat?