Loma/Lopez: If you ignore FACTS given to you, you're a coward.

[el_mas_chingon]

Right - expected a stoppage. Which didn't happen.

Lopez won, Loma had the wrong gameplan.

But what we shouldn't do is pretend like Lopez's defense is on point. It's not. He was eating WAY too many clean shots upstairs late in the fight, just like with Nagatani.

He'd better stay the HELL away from Ryan Garcia.

Yea I agree about Ryan Garcia but got to give him props for dethroning Loma!

[Guest]

I don't care that Lopez makes you feel good for talking himself into a big fight.

I don't care that your 'eye test' gets a shot he doesn't really deserve.

I also don't care that you enjoy Lopez's heart.

We need to focus on FACTS of the matter.

FACT: Lopez is a basket case that is not emotionally sound.

FACT: Lomachenko's resume destroys Lopez's.

FACT: Nagatani showed us that Lopez lacks fundamentals and an ability to stop right hands AND his power might just be overrated when you can see the punches coming.

FACT: His knockout of Commey was similar to Sergio/Williams 2. Two guys throw at the same time, one doesn't see it coming and gets caught. But Williams was eating right hands the entire fight before that. (Sound familiar?)

FACT: Lopez has a puncher's chance and that is all he has.


Now, as a fan, if you want to say "you know, I understand. Loma is likely going to dominate this kid. But I'm rooting for him anyway". Great. I respect that. I cheer for underdogs too.

If you want to say " I respect Lopez for at least taking the risk that Crawford refuses to", great. I respect that too.

But when you come at me with "he's a champ doe!" as a reason he stands a chance, and I tell you that Wilder was a champ too and got knocked spark out, and you don't say, "you know, good point" - instead it's "yeah he lost, so what doe! BLOCKED!"

Come on man. I'm hitting you with facts. Set your emotions aside. FACTS. I know you love the guy. You can still love the guy. But let's be realistic here.

Your guy is an emotional wreck. He's talking to convince himself. We saw it with Ortiz against Floyd. It's the same thing.

Did you see him talking about his dad? His dad never moved, never nodded, never anything. It's not right between them. Dad is putting pressure on this guy because Dad was upset with Loma's team and triggered this. He's fighting Dad's battle. The titles are just a secondary.

He hasn't proven anything yet. Maybe he will with a lucky shot.

But UNTIL then, you need to accept the strong possibility based on the facts that this guy is made to quit in the ring. That's all.

And if that happens, he is very likely to retire, because his Dad won't forgive him, his ego won't let him forget and it'll be another Naseem Hamed situation. And that would be a shame because he does appear to be a solid prospect, and he SHOULD have fought someone at his level first - like a Ryan Garcia or otherwise, which would have been just as exciting and a very good test for him without overwhelming him.

I'm glad someone was able to call this fight out with FACTS like this, we need more posters like you, lad.

Everything you said 100% came to pass.

Vaseline dominated that poor guy, before he spat out his gumshield and realised his "slugger's chance" wasn't gonna work for him. Sad to him quit that way, but you called it.

You need to make more threads like this, letting the forum know what a bunch of morons they are, and how they lack your keen insight and boxing acumen... well done you.

You're definitely not a daft cunt... and that's a FACT.

[MEXICAN STYLE]

TeoGOATfimo took Lomachenko to Honduran school jajaja

[Guest]

To be fair to Vaseline, the guy looked MASSIVE compared to him, didn't he?

[Rick Taylor]

I don't care that Lopez makes you feel good for talking himself into a big fight.

I don't care that your 'eye test' gets a shot he doesn't really deserve.

I also don't care that you enjoy Lopez's heart.

We need to focus on FACTS of the matter.

FACT: Lopez is a basket case that is not emotionally sound.

FACT: Lomachenko's resume destroys Lopez's.

FACT: Nagatani showed us that Lopez lacks fundamentals and an ability to stop right hands AND his power might just be overrated when you can see the punches coming.

FACT: His knockout of Commey was similar to Sergio/Williams 2. Two guys throw at the same time, one doesn't see it coming and gets caught. But Williams was eating right hands the entire fight before that. (Sound familiar?)

FACT: Lopez has a puncher's chance and that is all he has.


Now, as a fan, if you want to say "you know, I understand. Loma is likely going to dominate this kid. But I'm rooting for him anyway". Great. I respect that. I cheer for underdogs too.

If you want to say " I respect Lopez for at least taking the risk that Crawford refuses to", great. I respect that too.

But when you come at me with "he's a champ doe!" as a reason he stands a chance, and I tell you that Wilder was a champ too and got knocked spark out, and you don't say, "you know, good point" - instead it's "yeah he lost, so what doe! BLOCKED!"

Come on man. I'm hitting you with facts. Set your emotions aside. FACTS. I know you love the guy. You can still love the guy. But let's be realistic here.

Your guy is an emotional wreck. He's talking to convince himself. We saw it with Ortiz against Floyd. It's the same thing.

Did you see him talking about his dad? His dad never moved, never nodded, never anything. It's not right between them. Dad is putting pressure on this guy because Dad was upset with Loma's team and triggered this. He's fighting Dad's battle. The titles are just a secondary.

He hasn't proven anything yet. Maybe he will with a lucky shot.

But UNTIL then, you need to accept the strong possibility based on the facts that this guy is made to quit in the ring. That's all.

And if that happens, he is very likely to retire, because his Dad won't forgive him, his ego won't let him forget and it'll be another Naseem Hamed situation. And that would be a shame because he does appear to be a solid prospect, and he SHOULD have fought someone at his level first - like a Ryan Garcia or otherwise, which would have been just as exciting and a very good test for him without overwhelming him.

lomo is a journeyman now 😝

[BoZz]

I don't care that Lopez makes you feel good for talking himself into a big fight.

I don't care that your 'eye test' gets a shot he doesn't really deserve.

I also don't care that you enjoy Lopez's heart.

We need to focus on FACTS of the matter.

FACT: Lopez is a basket case that is not emotionally sound.

FACT: Lomachenko's resume destroys Lopez's.

FACT: Nagatani showed us that Lopez lacks fundamentals and an ability to stop right hands AND his power might just be overrated when you can see the punches coming.

FACT: His knockout of Commey was similar to Sergio/Williams 2. Two guys throw at the same time, one doesn't see it coming and gets caught. But Williams was eating right hands the entire fight before that. (Sound familiar?)

FACT: Lopez has a puncher's chance and that is all he has.


Now, as a fan, if you want to say "you know, I understand. Loma is likely going to dominate this kid. But I'm rooting for him anyway". Great. I respect that. I cheer for underdogs too.

If you want to say " I respect Lopez for at least taking the risk that Crawford refuses to", great. I respect that too.

But when you come at me with "he's a champ doe!" as a reason he stands a chance, and I tell you that Wilder was a champ too and got knocked spark out, and you don't say, "you know, good point" - instead it's "yeah he lost, so what doe! BLOCKED!"

Come on man. I'm hitting you with facts. Set your emotions aside. FACTS. I know you love the guy. You can still love the guy. But let's be realistic here.

Your guy is an emotional wreck. He's talking to convince himself. We saw it with Ortiz against Floyd. It's the same thing.

Did you see him talking about his dad? His dad never moved, never nodded, never anything. It's not right between them. Dad is putting pressure on this guy because Dad was upset with Loma's team and triggered this. He's fighting Dad's battle. The titles are just a secondary.

He hasn't proven anything yet. Maybe he will with a lucky shot.

But UNTIL then, you need to accept the strong possibility based on the facts that this guy is made to quit in the ring. That's all.

And if that happens, he is very likely to retire, because his Dad won't forgive him, his ego won't let him forget and it'll be another Naseem Hamed situation. And that would be a shame because he does appear to be a solid prospect, and he SHOULD have fought someone at his level first - like a Ryan Garcia or otherwise, which would have been just as exciting and a very good test for him without overwhelming him.

You have a bad habit which you need to drop for your own sake homie...

You talk/type a lot but really not saying anything...hope this thread will be a lesson to you to only speak after you have done some thinking.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Convenient that you all are overlooking the one key fact that was on FULL display in that fight.

Nagatani showed us that Lopez lacks fundamentals and an ability to stop right hands AND his power might just be overrated when you can see the punches coming.

Lopez. Lacks. Fundamentals. Of. Defense.

This right here? EVERY time Loma threw a jab upstairs, this is how Lopez reacted:



Off a jab.

Second, he never had Loma really hurt, never wobbled him, never dropped him. Which the majority of you said was going to happen. Didn't happen.

Let's be clear here. And I'll use Grabomir to explain what happened.

[PinkGod]

Convenient that you all are overlooking the one key fact that was on FULL display in that fight.

Nagatani showed us that Lopez lacks fundamentals and an ability to stop right hands AND his power might just be overrated when you can see the punches coming.

Lopez. Lacks. Fundamentals. Of. Defense.

This right here? EVERY time Loma threw a jab upstairs, this is how Lopez reacted:



Off a jab.

Second, he never had Loma really hurt, never wobbled him, never dropped him. Which the majority of you said was going to happen. Didn't happen.

Let's be clear here. And I'll use Grabomir to explain what happened.

I think that was your mistake, you looked at the Nakatani fight which was 2 fights ago & assumed Lopez and his team didn’t learn & make adjustments. And Loma was hurt in the 12th.

[Piper the Great]

This didn't age well

[Combat Talk Radio]

I think that was your mistake, you looked at the Nakatani fight which was 2 fights ago & assumed Lopez and his team didn’t learn & make adjustments. And Loma was hurt in the 12th.

Lopez made NO DEFENSIVE adjustments. None. He was still eating punches he shouldn't have and can't deflect a punch properly to save his life.

Loma being tentative is the only reason Lopez got his hand raised. Let's be clear here.