Arum/Warren Need To Remember Who They Are Trying To Screw

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Arum is an ex lawyer and been in the sport about 60 years

I think he knows what he’s doing more than some s.hitkicker on a forum

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I'm waiting to see if Fury/Arum are serious or just testing the waters on the contractual leeway they have or even if Wilder does want out after having more time to consider things before I'm going to assume all TR/PBC business is dead off of this recent situation.

I feel like this could be a situation where Fury makes a fight & Wilder's Team is able to kill it due to the contract & this is all about nothing or gaining leverage/testing boundaries.

I think it's simple.

Team Fury know that the AJ fight will make a hell of a lot of money, they're confident they'll win, and they know they'll probably be a rematch which will generate another boat load of cash.

Fury is in his prime right now, is in the shape of his life, and sees Joshua as his legacy fight.

Personally I think that Wilder deserves a rematch due to his long reign as champion, however I completely understand Fury wanting to move on, he's already wasted some of his prime years, he can't afford to waste more.

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Nope.

Ruiz wanted more money.

And he got it.

But, had he refused to fight, AJ would have had legal cause.

Just like Wilder does now.

Thanks for your help pointing that out.

AJ had an immediate rematch months later ,one has nothing to do with the other .

Wilder has no legal leverage it’s why Finkle said he would like the Fury fight but liking is not doing . If that were the case he would have pulled a Povetkin and filed a lawsuit straight away , and he lost that case and Povetkin got back damages .

[koolkc107]

I'm waiting to see if Fury/Arum are serious or just testing the waters on the contractual leeway they have or even if Wilder does want out after having more time to consider things before I'm going to assume all TR/PBC business is dead off of this recent situation.

I feel like this could be a situation where Fury makes a fight & Wilder's Team is able to kill it due to the contract & this is all about nothing or gaining leverage/testing boundaries.

I think they are serious.

I think they don't want to risk Wilder landing similar to how he did the first fight and ruining the All Brit showdown.

My point in this thread is that Arum sees this as a no lose proposition because either the PBC continues doing business as usual (which I highly doubt) or they stop entertaining the idea of any big cross platform fights.

Someone said the big fights will still happen if the money is there.

Maybe.

But, if boxing has taught us anything the last decade or two is that a whole lot of big fights don't get made regardless of whether or not the money is there.

Sometimes there's beefs between networks and promotional outfits that nix any chance of big fights.

Sometimes promoters protect fighters.

I think here, we have the potential for both and more.

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Is Fury able to box in the UK?

No he’s not he just booked a venue in the U.K for December 5th for a joke . He’s going to have his opponent walk out and then a fake cardboard character of him is going to be wheeled out and the bout ruled a no contest .

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It's not just PBC Fury is screwing over it's also ESPN. ESPN isn't paying Fury all that money to fight overseas in the early evening on the app going up against college football on ESPN. Fury vs Wilder is the only PPV fight ESPN has. From what I'm hearing Bob Arum isn't happy with Fury's decision.

ESPN advised him to not fight in December so it doesn’t effect them if he fights overseas . Whatever he does doesn’t effect any ESPN app . Fury will do a fight with AJ on PPV ,Wilder can’t do PPV without either .

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I think it's simple.

Team Fury know that the AJ fight will make a hell of a lot of money, they're confident they'll win, and they know they'll probably be a rematch which will generate another boat load of cash.

Fury is in his prime right now, is in the shape of his life, and sees Joshua as his legacy fight.

Personally I think that Wilder deserves a rematch due to his long reign as champion, however I completely understand Fury wanting to move on, he's already wasted some of his prime years, he can't afford to waste more.

Oh I 100% get why Fury wouldn't want to fight Wilder again. It's all risk & lil reward at this point & AJ is the golden goose & that seems more doable than ever. Anyone as confident & good as Fury is would want the big fight over the guy they just dominated.

Legally if Fury can make that move in the first place is my question & I'm betting there is no hardline date that the coronavirus situation couldn't extend to a not yet expired date.

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Oh I 100% get why Fury wouldn't want to fight Wilder again. It's all risk & lil reward at this point & AJ is the golden goose & that seems more doable than ever. Anyone as confident & good as Fury is would want the big fight over the guy they just dominated.

Legally if Fury can make that move in the first place is my question & I'm betting there is no hardline date that the coronavirus situation couldn't extend to a not yet expired date.

We'll see i suppose. Hopefully Wilder might even make an appearance and let us know what his plans are.

My feelings are that someone as shrewd as Bob Arum wouldn't allow Fury to skip the trilogy if he wasn't confident that he's legally in the clear.

I do get the OPs point that this issue might cause friction between the rival promoters and networks, but let's face it, they hardly ever work together anyway, and I think they still will for the massive fights.

Money always talks.

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We'll see i suppose. Hopefully Wilder might even make an appearance and let us know what his plans are.

My feelings are that someone as shrewd as Bob Arum wouldn't allow Fury to skip the trilogy if he wasn't confident that he's legally in the clear.

I do get the OPs point that this issue might cause friction between the rival promoters and networks, but let's face it, they hardly ever work together anyway, and I think they still will for the massive fights.

Money always talks.

No big disagreement here.

Arum's been around a long time.

And, he is a lawyer.

His record in lawsuits aint that great tho.

And, I do think Wilder has legal recourse if he chooses to exercise it- the question is will he?

I get the risk/reward thing, the math Fury and Warren and Arum are doing.

While I understand, I also think it's unethical af and may come back to bite them all in the ass.

This happens A LOT in this sport.

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My feelings are that someone as shrewd as Bob Arum wouldn't allow Fury to skip the trilogy if he wasn't confident that he's legally in the clear.

Someone as shrewd as Arum played like Mikey Garcia was a ungrateful fookhead who was contracted to fight for him til he dropped Mikey a week or so before he woulda lost his case.

Arum's (& Warren's) shrewdness is exactly why this is being pushed I'd imagine. See what they can & can't get away with.