Comments Thread For: Povetkin Hopes To Once Again Blast Whyte Out in Dramatic Fashion

[Roberto Vasquez]

Same happened with Choco (Srisaket), Manny (Floyd), Golovkin (Carnelo), etc. But that's par for the course when you have these fighters that the networks keep hyping.

It's the exact reason that we need to see fighters tested - really tested - by fighters that are a threat to them. Because the fans that just leave the cut weren't really fans.

But the flip side is when you got guys like Carnelo and Spence who keep getting their hands raised against top tier opponents and winning belts over and over again, there's a group of people that just want to see them lose.

Well I half agree but Canelo kept on avoiding Golovkin to the point he vacated his belts and didn't Spence avoid Crawford?

It does still seem like if you are a fan of the guy then it's ok for him to avoid people. Floyd did his fair share of avoiding and handicapping opponents too.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Well I half agree but Canelo kept on avoiding Golovkin to the point he vacated his belts and didn't Spence avoid Crawford?

It does still seem like if you are a fan of the guy then it's ok for him to avoid people. Floyd did his fair share of avoiding and handicapping opponents too.

Canelo may have avoided Golovkin, sure.

Floyd avoided one fighter - Margacheato - and he's on record saying that he was su****ious of the situation, only to find Cheato getting caught out on hand wraps prior to the Mosley fight. Cheato proceeded to get dominated - thus making that fight not worth it when Floyd could just fight the guy that dominated. Which was a smart business decision.

Spence never avoided Crawford, Crawford hasn't done enough to earn that fight AND when it was discussed he asked for 50/50 split despite not being a draw. Meanwhile, Keef, Danny, Ugas, Porter and Gary Russell all lined up and asked for fights.

Keef they didn't bother negotiating.

Swift they lowballed him, then offered Khan twice the amount to take a low blow.

Ugas they never replied.

Porter they went on DAZN and verbally ducked it.

Russell they talked a good game but never signed the contract.

Crawford has to get a signature win - clearly and with NO asterisks - before he earns a Spence fight. That's why Bob Arum keeps booking him with lesser and lesser opposition, because every fight has some controversy at 147. Brook might have helped if Crawford didn't refuse to fight overseas, which would have helped his exposure.

[LoadedWraps]

Same happened with Choco (Srisaket), Manny (Floyd), Golovkin (Carnelo), etc. But that's par for the course when you have these fighters that the networks keep hyping.

It's the exact reason that we need to see fighters tested - really tested - by fighters that are a threat to them. Because the fans that just leave the cut weren't really fans.

But the flip side is when you got guys like Carnelo and Spence who keep getting their hands raised against top tier opponents and winning belts over and over again, there's a group of people that just want to see them lose.

Truly elite fighters who are head and shoulders above their peers have no real threat to them though. Floyd, Fury, Lomachenko, there is no actual threat to them. Real fans who know the sport know when those fighters are around and that is partly why they can be so polarizing. Being a fan of a fighter who you want to be a champion but you know they have no better than a punchers chance against a future ATG in the division must be tough. Guess I'm thankful and blessed my eye test is solid and I pick em right early, more often than not. I went from being a Floyd fan to being a Fury fan when Floyd retired full time, and all I've done is win, at the bookies, and on NSB.

Outside of the few fighters head and shoulders above the rest though, I agree. The best should fight the best and crowning guys too early leads to disappointment. I hate protecting fighters, I hate ducking, I hate marinating. No delays. Take risks. Don't just tell us you're great, show us.

[joe strong]

Smiles..... Hez achieved a bit in boxing compared to some fighters. Once a champ, had 2/3 title fights despite his size.
Hez done well for himself.

hell at 41 i still got him as the 4th best HW. He has done great for a smaller HW. He has one of the best resumes in the division & only lost to Klitschko & Joshua (Huck could have a case for a W). Always enjoy watching him.

[joe strong]

Fury won't want Hunter after what happened with Cunningham. Rivas is a respectable opponent but then again he hasn't beaten anyone (and certainly isn't ready for Fury) and all the Fury fans were saying he was no-one when Dillian Whyte fought him. So yes it will be Rivas lol. Least he's top-10 level tho. No surprise either Fury is offering the fight on short-notice....

Cunningham was so long ago. Fury is so much better now. My pick is Hunter but Rivas & Kabayel are my alternate picks. It will be one of those 3 ...

[Rick Taylor]

Well I half agree but Canelo kept on avoiding Golovkin to the point he vacated his belts and didn't Spence avoid Crawford?

It does still seem like if you are a fan of the guy then it's ok for him to avoid people. Floyd did his fair share of avoiding and handicapping opponents too.

he ducked cottos ghost also.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Cunningham was so long ago. Fury is so much better now. My pick is Hunter but Rivas & Kabayel are my alternate picks. It will be one of those 3 ...

I think Cunnigham always causes problems for Fury - he is faster than Fury (in Fury's own words) so negates one of Fury's main advantages. I see Hunter causing Fury the same problems. I doubt they pick him.

That's why people thought Povetkin was finished becaue Povetkin is normally the smaller faster guy (but with big power) in the ring which gives him a lot of advantages against big plodding HWs and Hunter negated that with his own speed and mobility and made Povetkin look done when he wasn't

[Roberto Vasquez]

Canelo may have avoided Golovkin, sure.

Floyd avoided one fighter - Margacheato - and he's on record saying that he was su****ious of the situation, only to find Cheato getting caught out on hand wraps prior to the Mosley fight. Cheato proceeded to get dominated - thus making that fight not worth it when Floyd could just fight the guy that dominated. Which was a smart business decision.

Spence never avoided Crawford, Crawford hasn't done enough to earn that fight AND when it was discussed he asked for 50/50 split despite not being a draw. Meanwhile, Keef, Danny, Ugas, Porter and Gary Russell all lined up and asked for fights.

Keef they didn't bother negotiating.

Swift they lowballed him, then offered Khan twice the amount to take a low blow.

Ugas they never replied.

Porter they went on DAZN and verbally ducked it.

Russell they talked a good game but never signed the contract.

Crawford has to get a signature win - clearly and with NO asterisks - before he earns a Spence fight. That's why Bob Arum keeps booking him with lesser and lesser opposition, because every fight has some controversy at 147. Brook might have helped if Crawford didn't refuse to fight overseas, which would have helped his exposure.

Floyd avoided more than that. Like I say if you think there is just one fighter - you are fan of Floyd and have ignored the fighters he ducked. There is a reason he is undefeated. IF an old Mosley and an old Judah could tag him, its obvious a live fighter would have been able to cause him big problems. I remember peak Canelo chasing him for a fight and Floyd running like crazy.

Meanwhile Floyd fights a way-past-his-best Manny Pacquiao and bills it "Fight of the Century" and then again runs from the rematch saying it was because Pacquiao said he was injured.

The reason Ali is so great is because he fought the best at their best. No one cares he lost 5 times. Because there is NO undefeated top player in any other sport. Simply because you have to play against the best in other sports. You can't make your opponent lose weight or wait until he's old or refuse to play them because you won the first time you played them early in their career...

C'mon man Spence knows Crawford is dangerous, that's why he was avoiding him!

[Combat Talk Radio]

...

FACT: Floyd called Manny out in 2012.




FACT: Floyd is and was older than Manny. So age is not an excuse.

FACT: Floyd called out the likes of Cotto, Mosley and Judah YEARS before those fights happened. Mosley's infamous toe excuse should not have escaped you. Nobody wanted to fight Floyd at that time because he wasn't a big name draw yet. This is on record, so

FACT: Floyd called out De La Hoya at least two years before that fight. De La Hoya refused over weight issues.

FACT: Floyd was supposed to fight Cory Spinks (another fighter people say Floyd "ducked") - the media hated the fight because Cory Spinks was an 'eye test' nobody at the time. Floyd went after the only champion to accept the challenge in Carlos Baldomir. That decision was ultimately the trigger for what would later become "Money" Mayweather.

FACT: Freddie Roach is on record saying that Manny Pacquiao refused the drug testing which tanked the fight originally.

FACT: Floyd initially offered Manny a rematch. Manny lied about the shoulder - which he hurt missing punches in the fight, NOT before the fight - and Floyd revoked it. A-Side privilege. All Manny had to do was tell the truth and ask respectfully - like Chino.





All of this is easily researchable. You should be ashamed of yourself.

EDIT: and before you go the Paul Williams route, here's him ON record saying he wasn't at Floyd's level, he hadn't earned it yet, he just being hyped before the accident happened. 'Eye test'

[Laligalaliga]

hell at 41 i still got him as the 4th best HW. He has done great for a smaller HW. He has one of the best resumes in the division & only lost to Klitschko & Joshua (Huck could have a case for a W). Always enjoy watching him.

Sure.... I love his trade mark left hook.