Is Rocky Marciano as respected as he should be?

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I made a complete account of Rocky's career, his opponents and THEIR opponents, which were almost all complete set-ups as follows;

His first 10 opponents had 18 wins total and 14 losses. 6 were lt. heavys. #s 1,2,6,8,9, and 12 had NO wins at all, and almost NO fights.

He fought a guy named Ross who was 10-0. Rosses opponents totalled 0 wins 1 loss and 1 draw. All 8 rounders and less, all in Quebec except Rocky.

His next 8 opponents had 103 wins and 87 losses. all palookas.

The came his 1st 10 rd fight. His next 4 opponents, all very shopworn, had 153 wins and 63 losses.

Next his "best" opponent to date. Carmine Vingo. Vingo was 16-1 (7 "KOs"), HIS opponents totalled 88 wins 104 losses. Vingo 20, was 6'4"..under 190 lbs., weedy. His "fight" before Rocky was a 0-0 beginner... Rocky was 27 a grown man -stocky and very strong.

Now do Pacquiao's first 20 fights, which are worse. Pac also faced the same number of fighters with losing records through his first 49 fights as did Marciano. Plenty of people have "bums" on their records as they work themselves up and/or find stay-busy fights.

Canelo's first 20 fights are even worse than Pacquiao's. Yeah, Canelo was young, but he claims those victories on his record when they announce him.

[QueensburyRules]

The guy retired undefeated but hardly gets mentioned with the greats. Was it the talk about his fights being fixed? lack of competition? Or in his prime he had no equal? What is it about Rocky?

- -What grade U get Fixxed?

Rock on most every top 10 ever listed.

[TheMyspaceDayz]

Anyone who opens by saying the shell of Joe Louis was Rocky’s best opponent shouldn’t be trusted. The man fought somewhat formidable versions of Walcott and Charles. Just putting that out there.

[Roadblock]

Anyone who opens by saying the shell of Joe Louis was Rocky’s best opponent shouldn’t be trusted. The man fought somewhat formidable versions of Walcott and Charles. Just putting that out there.

Walcott and Charles were both done, Charles got beat just before by a LH and a guy with 25 loses his 2 wins right before were against cans , the Rocky fight was a few losses in from a run something like 20 losses out of 25 fights .

Rocky was a flat footed very hard puncher that got a few big names at the end of their careers, he was white and beloved but as a fighter he was way over rated compared to the other ATGs HWs.

[TheMyspaceDayz]

Walcott and Charles were both done, Charles got beat just before by a LH and a guy with 25 loses his 2 wins right before were against cans , the Rocky fight was a few losses in from a run something like 20 losses out of 25 fights .

Rocky was a flat footed very hard puncher that got a few big names at the end of their careers, he was white and beloved but as a fighter he was way over rated compared to the other ATGs HWs.

I was speaking comparatively. Louis is nowhere near his best win.

[Marchegiano]

Disrespected if anything.

A bunch of ignorant ****s voicing opinions and little else. Almost no research is ever done, ever, and it seems like everyone who ever approached the Marciano story did so either as a hater or fan before they did their learning.

Scanning this thread is basics are already out.


Bad resume - I've yet see Harry Matthews even mentioned. No ****ell, no Rex, just Joe, Joe, Ezzard, Archie....only good names right? Let me ask y'all, how the **** do you get a good name in an era where one HW beat the **** out of EVERY contender before he stole the title from the champ? Who is meant to look good now? Oh, you got a self serving argument then huh? Nice, you are dumb as ****.

In truth, y'all lazy mother ****ers don't even know who the highly respected prospects were let alone why they were favored to win the title.

Ring Mag- founded by a plagiarist who made up **** to make the **** he stole all fit together. Anyone doing any real historical anything doesn't stop at Ring because Ring is like the Bible. Historically bull****.

Ezzard were 33 does- kev - You've not that ****** of a poster, but, that was a ****ing dumb one. Ezzard is how much older than Rocky? Okay, and how much more experience? So, a mother ****er who is a peer but has waaaaaaay more experience does not the advantage?

Comparing to modern - It's easy to make others look good when they can and do get belts before, during, and after your reign. The **** are you doing comparing single straps to Marciano?

Early career - Look at any ye olden early career. Jack Dempsey's whole career is ass and y'all praise that fool all the time. Maybe if he had an 0 all those debuts would be public knowledge? How about Bob Fitzsimmons? Who fights debuts around a title? The immortal SRR? Oh but Marciano's early career is especially ****ty is it?

In favor - I like 0s, and, but his skills were actually underrated. - Meh, his 0 is only special in this form of boxing, in all forms there are ten Marcianos, ten unbeaten HW champions. His skills might be a little under appreciated but it's hard to rate Marciano highly based on hit and don't be hit back tactics for sure. Those are both bad counter points.



What frustrates me is I don't see any real level of understanding when folks talk Marciano or even the 50s. If you don't like Rocky, cool, don't tell me "all he fought were old doe" 90-7 is not a bad career record. 81-3 at the time of the fight is not a bad fighting record. 55+ win streak is not a bad accolade, nor is it a bad time to pick up a win over the guy. Why don't you know about him? Why are all Marciano's best wins exclusively the old guys everyone knows about? You did research? You didn't even do boxrec properly let alone research.

What is the purpose of every kid with a smidgen of talent getting a belt? It makes them look good right? Now, this might tax yer wee brain a bit but think for a moment, if we live in a time of inflated awards and accolades then there must be time when awards and accolades started to look not so great and that must have been a systemic issue given a systemic change did 'fix' that. If Ali is the era of the split then whose era is the era of highly awarded fighters still not looking great without taking a closer look? If you had a brain you'd look for the reason why we have a split authority in the first place.

It's all well and fine for you to look at Rex Layne's record and go "Him **** doe" but Rex is the guy pushed by Ring. Maybe his resume does look like ****, maybe that has to do with how ranking worked back then and how it works today. Maybe being pushed by Ring is the only direct transitive that takes the least amount of adjusting due to time? Maybe y'all force modern ideals on **** that happened before those ideals were thought of? Maybe you *****es like the 4 body, WBC-F, WBA-R, bull**** more than you realize? Rex Layne was a fine prospect at a time when a joke like ****ing Joe Parker is not a possibility.

Didn't fight anyone, except, he steamrolled right through every single prospect that was put into any form of media as worth a ****, and, there is no ranked opponent, no Langford, no Wills, no Norfolk, Marciano did not fight.

Conversely, Marciano isn't even trained to be slick. Slick's not what he's going for be being better at it than how heavily he is criticized is such a small point I'm not sure why it's even made. So people say Rocky never ducked a punch when he did here and there? Big ****in' deal. No, he's not a boxer, wasn't a boxer, wasn't trained to box, does not give a **** about boxing. He fought sword and shield style, Marciano isn't trying to avoid punches per-se, he's trying to force his opening and KO you, duh. He's very ****ing good at it though and that's why it's sad as **** on one hand you get just "Him crude" and on the other "him not as crude as you think doe" whatever. Yes, by your metric he is crude. His crude ass went right through some of the greatest movers ever, crudely. He doesn't need "boxing skills" and no other HW in the 3k years of the division has for them to retire unbeaten. Dudes who box at HW pick up losses. Maybe your asses should investigate some history and see if Marciano's style isn't worth understanding without trying force some points-boxing philosophy on to it. Ya dumb ****s.

49-0

43 KOs

25 quit boxing five fights or less after fighting Marciano

KO'd the longest reigner Louis

KO'd the KO King Archie

KO'd possibly the greatest LHW, p4p ATG Charles

KO'd the bag or tricks Ali would work with in Walcott

KO'd and chipped the bones of the original rope-a-dope LaStarza

Ended a 55+ win streak Matthews

Ended Rex's Ring push

Handed ****ell his first HW loss


Not worth any real investigation though?





Him best win were old, him don't dance, him poopy. VS Him dance a little, him no poop, him 0. - It's just ****ing sad.






So, I say disrespected.

Almost no one shows the era any respect and gives it any time. They just take a quick peek because they formed their opinions beforehand and are just on the hunt for ammo.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Rocky Marciano is synonyms with boxing 'His legacy has stood the test of time, very few fighters legacies stand the test of time'.

Rocky Marciano, Jack Johnson, Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson.

There was a thread asking? Which 4 fighters would you place upon a boxing Mount Rushmore 'Those four fighters above where the fighters I chose' etc

[boliodogs]

I don't think he gets enough credit. He was an amazing fighter pound. He was really a light heavyweight and was able to rule heavyweight for years. I saw an old picture showing Rocky weighing in at 184 pounds in street clothes. This was in the days of weighing in just 8 or ten hours before the fight. Since heavyweights have no limit he would have been well fed and watered. He could has skipped breakfast and stripped down and easily been under 175. He was not a heavyweight at all and was only 5 foot 10 which makes what he did in the ring amazing in my opinion. He was a great puncher with an iron jaw who threw a huge amount of hard punches round after round. Everyone who fought him said damn near ever punch he landed hurt even if landed on their arms.

[boliodogs]

Sorry. I meant to sat he was an amazing fighter pound for pound.

[REDEEMER]

I don't think he gets enough credit. He was an amazing fighter pound. He was really a light heavyweight and was able to rule heavyweight for years. I saw an old picture showing Rocky weighing in at 184 pounds in street clothes. This was in the days of weighing in just 8 or ten hours before the fight. Since heavyweights have no limit he would have been well fed and watered. He could has skipped breakfast and stripped down and easily been under 175. He was not a heavyweight at all and was only 5 foot 10 which makes what he did in the ring amazing in my opinion. He was a great puncher with an iron jaw who threw a huge amount of hard punches round after round. Everyone who fought him said damn near ever punch he landed hurt even if landed on their arms.

Marciano only fought 8 guys over 200 pounds so still using size disadvantage really doesn’t work ,in fact he was thicker then many opponents at 5”10 but his weight of 185 still is not a giant killer . Pound for pound ? Yea he was very effective but the guys he fought were also below heavy weight standards today as well .