Multi-weight champs vs. Undisputed champs? What is more impressive?

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  • Luilun
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    #31
    Originally posted by FLY TY
    I disagree. He has fought neither Charlo bro, or Andrade...at 168, I'd love to see him against Plant or Benavidez. It's not enough to say he beats all these guys, but doesn't have to fight them.
    Charlie Bros and Andre have mediocre wins

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    • whollisboxing
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      #32
      Originally posted by lokkebassen123
      Lets say multi-division= 2-4 weight classes. Undisputed meaning every major belt - WBA, WBC, IBF og WBO. So with that said, in your honest opinion, in present day boxing, which should be respected more? & why??
      It really depends on who you beat. For example, Adrien Broner is a four-division champion but the guys he beat were:

      1. Paulie Malignaggi at 147 (an overachiever who was good but not great)

      2. Khabib Allakverdiev at 140 (decent but not great)

      3. Antonio DeMarco at 135 (a legit win against a top lightweight at the time, not the best but very good at the time)

      4. Vicente Martin Rodriguez at 130 (I won't call him a bum but he wasn't anything special)

      As for the unification scenario, that depends too but as I type this, I think unification is more impressive because those are the best guys in the division whether you think the division is weak or not. If you look at Josh Taylor, he beat Ivan Baranchyk and Regis Prograis win win the WBA and IBF titles. If he beats Jose Ramirez to win the WBC and WBO then I would consider that more impressive because you can cherry-pick your way to multiple titles through careful matchmaking.
      Last edited by whollisboxing; 10-02-2020, 09:43 AM.

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      • whollisboxing
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        #33
        Originally posted by Luilun
        Charlie Bros and Andre have mediocre wins
        Jermall's win over Derevyanchenko is a legit win, as is Jermell's wins over Tony Harrison and Jeison Rosario. Andrade definitely needs a signature win and hopefully he will get an opportunity against top competition.

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          #34
          Originally posted by MPDKSAB
          Opponent levels matter.
          I would agree with this. Cleaning out a division isn't as impressive if all of the other title holders are weak (Crawford). Jumping through weight classes and getting titles from weak opposition (Broner) isn't as impressive either.

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          • Luilun
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            #35
            Originally posted by whollisboxing
            Jermall's win over Derevyanchenko is a legit win, as is Jermell's wins over Tony Harrison and Jeison Rosario. Andrade definitely needs a signature win and hopefully he will get an opportunity against top competition.
            One legit win against a 5 foot 7 Brawler who has no head movement and he’s better than Canelo yea ok

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            • Toffee
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              #36
              As others have said, it depends on what you did and who you beat.

              Belts can be hard earned,gifted or somewhere in between. So you have to look past them.

              Tyson won the WBA belt by beating Seldon.
              Holyfield won it by beating Tyson.
              Lewis won it by beating Holyfield.

              Those wins aren't all equal.
              Last edited by Toffee; 10-02-2020, 08:08 PM.

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              • Willy Wanker
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                #37
                It depends who a fighters beats, but in the majority of cases, undisputed is more impressive and not as common.

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                • buddyr
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                  #38
                  Multi weight champs in a 4 belt 17 weight class era just isn’t impressive to me. You can go to each weight class near your own and just fight the weakest champ each time.

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                  • BodyBagz
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                    #39
                    Matters on the comp. Just because a person has a belt doesn't mean they are true champs.

                    Andy wore belts. How is he ranked among HW champs ?

                    Moving up div's only to find the worst guy at that weight is also laughable.

                    If the competition is legit, moving up > undisputed

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                    • whollisboxing
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Luilun
                      One legit win against a 5 foot 7 Brawler who has no head movement and he’s better than Canelo yea ok
                      Ok two things:

                      1. No one asked me if I think he is better than Canelo, but if you’re asking, no, I don’t think Jermall Charlo is better than Canelo. I think it would be a good matchup though

                      2. Nobody was calling Derevyanchenko a “5 foot 7 brawler with no head movement “ going into the fight. He was seen as a legit test and Charlo passed it.

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