Why did Mike Tyson duck Ray Mercer?

[thebrownbomber_]

The most stereotypical Tyson fanboy of the week right here. Doesn't get more typical than this. Making him the eternal victim and nothing but excuses for his short comings.

I'm gonna adress two parts of your nonsense. First off, you try to hype up Tyson's awful level of opposition in the 90s compared to what was actually available. This is what he fought in the 90s:
Savarese, Francis, Nielsen, Seldon, Mathis Jr, Norris, Botha, McNeely, Stewart, Bruno, Ruddock(glass chin, one armed overrated journeyman) Douglas the journeyman who destroyed him, and a perceived washed up Holyfield. I will ignore the 00s for now.

Notice something? All are bums or glass cannons. Not one prototype of fighters that he ducked which are punchers with good chins. There were tons in the 90s and he never fought them:

Foreman, Tua, Mercer, Bowe, Ibeabuchi, McCall, young Lewis, Vitali.
All ko punchers with cast iron jaws. Guys who would take Tyson's best shots but keep coming.

He was terrified of this so he never faced any of them. The only punchers he faced were glass chinned. It doesn't matter if his prime was the 80s, nobody's dis*****g that. He was still good in the 90s but never faced those guys. And you can make all the excuses you want, it's disgusting and I'm not buying it.

>Calls me the stereotypical Tyson Fanboy while being one of the biggest Tyson haters to ever exist lol, all becuase hes salty that Mike Tyson, despite being 15 years retired, is still more relevant than his favorite boxer.

How am I making him the external victim lmfao? First of all, I never tried to overhype his competition. Buster Douglas was no journeyman, but a contender who had fought for the title 3 years earlier. Tyson fought the number 2 contender Razor Ruddock twice in 1991, being the number one contender, and was lined up for a shot at Evander Holyfield. The Winner of that Holyfield-Tyson bout was supposed to also fight foreman as well (according to the build-up footage for the 1991 Holyfield-Tyson fight). If Tyson beat holyfield, he wouldve regained the titles and fought Bowe, Lewis, Old Foreman from 1992-1995. If not, then he wouldve certainly been in the mix. Like I said for the 1000th time, when Tyson returned, Bowe was at the end of his career and had other plans.

Oliver McCall? You really telling me that Tyson was afraid of McCall? Lol. I am of the opinion that Tyson should have actually fought Lewis in 1996 instead of holyfield, since he looked sharp in the Bruno fight. But then again, he listens to Don King, who wanted Tyson to fight Holyfield instead. Thats Mike's stupditiy. He fights and loses to Evander, gets an immediate rematch, loses his cool and gets suspended for another year. Had he been allowed to fight in 1998, then I can see where you are coming from. Im pretty sure after 2000 he didnt really care about fighting any top guys and just did it for the money, but you can be the judge of that.

Bottom line, he wouldve fought most of these guys had he not gone to jail, and Tysons prime was from 85-91, and would have continued until around 93 had he not gone to jail

[BKM-]

You are clearly speaking nonsense at this point. Tua, Ibeabuchi, were close to or very near their absolute peak when Tyson returned. Ibeabuchi was never the same after his fight with Tua, Tua-Tyson clash would have likely happened in 1998, and even then, Tua was at his peak while Tyson was clearly far past his best. McCall?Lol. On foreman, he was going to get a crack at the winner of Tyson-Holyfield as well. Bowe? The guy had his own plans with Golota and Lennox when Tyson was busy with Holyfield. He retired in 1997, just 2 years into tysons come back. Tyson did beat and nearly kill for that matter, Andrew Golota. Botha was also a former champion and gave Michael Moorer a good run for his money. Alex Stewart was considered a meaningful opponent back then, who gave holyfield a war. Tyson finsihed him in one. Why did Evander Holyfield duck Razor Ruddock? Mercer is one of, and if not the most overrated boxer to ever exist. He gets beat by Old Larry Holmes and Jesse Ferguson, a journeyman, Tyson would manhandle mercer.

Ruddock literally took everything Tyson threw and kept fighting on, he was never the same after Tyson broke his jaw. He was also winning round 3 against Evander in their rematch, and would have likely KOed him later or won a decision had he learned to control his emotions.

Anyway, the claim that "Tyson never beat a top heavyweight in his era" is another falsehood. I repeat that his championship reign was in the 80s and NOT the 90s. He cleaned out the division, beating Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tubbs (who outboxed Bowe), Michael Spinks (a LHW ATG, who was far better than Michael Moorer who outpointed prime Holyfield), Tony Tucker, James Smith.

EDIT: Tony Tubbs was known for taking shots and stood toe to toe with tyson. Pinklon Thomas has an iron chin and powerful left jab.

The most stereotypical Tyson fanboy of the week right here. Doesn't get more typical than this. Making him the eternal victim and nothing but excuses for his short comings.

I'm gonna adress two parts of your nonsense. First off, you try to hype up Tyson's awful level of opposition in the 90s compared to what was actually available. This is what he fought in the 90s:
Savarese, Francis, Nielsen, Seldon, Mathis Jr, Norris, Botha, McNeely, Stewart, Bruno, Ruddock(glass chin, one armed overrated journeyman) Douglas the journeyman who destroyed him, and a perceived washed up Holyfield. I will ignore the 00s for now.

Notice something? All are bums or glass cannons. Not one prototype of fighters that he ducked which are punchers with good chins. There were tons in the 90s and he never fought them:

Foreman, Tua, Mercer, Bowe, Ibeabuchi, McCall, young Lewis, Vitali.
All ko punchers with cast iron jaws. Guys who would take Tyson's best shots but keep coming.

He was terrified of this so he never faced any of them. The only punchers he faced were glass chinned. It doesn't matter if his prime was the 80s, nobody's dis*****g that. He was still good in the 90s but never faced those guys. And you can make all the excuses you want, it's disgusting and I'm not buying it.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Told U idjits, Lenny sued Tyson to prevent the Mercer bout and paid Tyson a small fortune.

Idjits sorta like zombies. They everywhere these days!

[Zelda]

Triangularity doesn't hold in boxing.

Most boxers around 1987-88 who fought Tyson stand nowhere near a prime Holyfield, Lewis, Tua, Bowe, etc. That includes your Tubbs, Spinks, and Holmes. I am no fan of Moorer (yes he beat Holyfield) but that's around the time Holyfield was misdiagnosed. But I would definitely like to see Tyson fight against the above list in his so-called "prime" which apparently ended by the time he was 23. Add Ike to that too.

[thebrownbomber_]

And pre-1989, the opposition was not that good.

Tony Tubbs outboxed Rid**** Bowe. Tyson finished him in 2. Lennox was getting outboxed by Frank Bruno. Tyson finished him twice. Ray Mercer got beat by Jesse ferguson and Old Holmes. Tyson KOed Both. Michael Spinks in ATG LHW and certainly better than Michael Moorer, who outpointed prime holyfield

EDIT: Carl williams was robbed against Larry Holmes as well.

[Zelda]

Tyson also didn't fight Bowe, Foreman, or Briggs.

post 1989 Tyson just wasn't that good.

And pre-1989, the opposition was not that good.

[TonyGe]

That would've been a great fight but it's funny how Mercer fought Lennox and Holyfield back to back but somehow didn't fight Mike Tyson.

Also, Mike Tyson also somehow escaped fighting Moorer, Tommy Morrison, Tua and Bert Cooper. Shocking, isn't it?

What's shocking about it? He would have beat the crap out of those guys.

[thebrownbomber_]

Already went through this with another poster in this thread. Tyson fought enough times in the 90s, he could and should have faced any of those killers.

Instead he fought nothing but glass chinned bums. Except for Evander who he only fought because he thought Evander was washed up.

Ruddock could dish it out but not take it. Tyson DUCKED guys who could both dish it out and take it. Mercer, Tua, Foreman, Bowe, McCall, Ibeabuchi etc. These are Tyson's nightmare: Men who would not lay down after taking his punch. Tyson would crumble mentally against all of them. He wanted his guys to stay down. Not get back up or worse, stay standing and brawl back!

Tyson feared them. And you already know about how much Tyson has talked about his fear in boxing, yes? As a Tyson fan.

You are clearly speaking nonsense at this point. Tua, Ibeabuchi, were close to or very near their absolute peak when Tyson returned. Ibeabuchi was never the same after his fight with Tua, Tua-Tyson clash would have likely happened in 1998, and even then, Tua was at his peak while Tyson was clearly far past his best. McCall?Lol. On foreman, he was going to get a crack at the winner of Tyson-Holyfield as well. Bowe? The guy had his own plans with Golota and Lennox when Tyson was busy with Holyfield. He retired in 1997, just 2 years into tysons come back. Tyson did beat and nearly kill for that matter, Andrew Golota. Botha was also a former champion and gave Michael Moorer a good run for his money. Alex Stewart was considered a meaningful opponent back then, who gave holyfield a war. Tyson finsihed him in one. Why did Evander Holyfield duck Razor Ruddock? Mercer is one of, and if not the most overrated boxer to ever exist. He gets beat by Old Larry Holmes and Jesse Ferguson, a journeyman, Tyson would manhandle mercer.

Ruddock literally took everything Tyson threw and kept fighting on, he was never the same after Tyson broke his jaw. He was also winning round 3 against Evander in their rematch, and would have likely KOed him later or won a decision had he learned to control his emotions.

Anyway, the claim that "Tyson never beat a top heavyweight in his era" is another falsehood. I repeat that his championship reign was in the 80s and NOT the 90s. He cleaned out the division, beating Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tubbs (who outboxed Bowe), Michael Spinks (a LHW ATG, who was far better than Michael Moorer who outpointed prime Holyfield), Tony Tucker, James Smith.

EDIT: Tony Tubbs was known for taking shots and stood toe to toe with tyson. Pinklon Thomas has an iron chin and powerful left jab.

[whollisboxing]

That would've been a great fight but it's funny how Mercer fought Lennox and Holyfield back to back but somehow didn't fight Mike Tyson.

Also, Mike Tyson also somehow escaped fighting Moorer, Tommy Morrison, Tua and Bert Cooper. Shocking, isn't it?

I'm not sure about the rest but Morrison had a shot lined up but then lost unexpectedly.

[BKM-]

"Mercer could have stopped him". Like he did with Jesse ferguson? "David Tua"- literally a rip off Mike tyson. Ibeabuchi? Would prolly be a repition of the Ruddock fights.


He fought 15/50 fights in the 90s lol, how is that his era? Anyway, he still managed to unify 2 titles that era. So?

Already went through this with another poster in this thread. Tyson fought enough times in the 90s, he could and should have faced any of those killers.

Instead he fought nothing but glass chinned bums. Except for Evander who he only fought because he thought Evander was washed up.

Ruddock could dish it out but not take it. Tyson DUCKED guys who could both dish it out and take it. Mercer, Tua, Foreman, Bowe, McCall, Ibeabuchi etc. These are Tyson's nightmare: Men who would not lay down after taking his punch. Tyson would crumble mentally against all of them. He wanted his guys to stay down. Not get back up or worse, stay standing and brawl back!

Tyson feared them. And you already know about how much Tyson has talked about his fear in boxing, yes? As a Tyson fan.