Comments Thread For: Joshua: Fury, Wilder Would Not Be Biggest Names I've Fought or Best I've Challenged

[JakeTheBoxer]

Joshua is delusional. Prime Fury is better than past prime Klitschko.

35 old Wladimir would have knocked Joshua out, I agree with that.

[TMLT87]

I don’t think anyone is arguing that Klitschko was a bigger win for AJ than Fury, or at least I’m certainly not. I’m pushing back against the idea that Fury‘s win against Klitschko is better and that he is a better win for AJ.

I think people that do completely forget that the story of the fight aftermath at the time was almost entirely around what Klitschko didn’t do, rather than what Fury did. The performance was just so atypical and listless, compared to the dialled in version we witnessed the fight after.

This article sums it up perfectly:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2593843-wladimir-klitschko-vs-tyson-fury-winner-scorecard-and-reaction

I personally don’t feel that fight was an accurate representation of Klitschko and in the absence of a rematch, I have to take his overall body of work and agree that at this moment in time, he’s a bigger, better and more career defining win for AJ.

Again, it just makes no sense. How can Wlad, who was 41 years old, in the last fight of his career, coming off of a nearly 18 month long layoff and a one sided loss, be a better win than the guy that he lost almost every round to in his previous fight? Where he ranks all time isnt really important, its more about where he was at in his career when AJ fought him. The perception that he was on his way out and was Furys sloppy seconds will always be there, and it cheapens Joshuas win somewhat. Fury is 32 right now, undefeated, he beat Wlad, he beat Wilder - there are no "but hes old" "but he just lost" caveats when beating him like there is for Joshua beating Wlad.

We will never know how well Wlad have fared in the Fury rematch, all we have to go on is the first fight which wasnt close. Theres more reason to believe an AJ/Wlad rematch might have gone differently considering it was a life and death fight where Joshua got put on his arse.

And yes, you're right, Fury/Wlad was considered an upset at the time. 5 years later having seen how both fighters careers went after, it no longer is.

[Blackstarr]

Again, it just makes no sense. How can Wlad, who was 41 years old, in the last fight of his career, coming off of a nearly 18 month long layoff and a one sided loss, be a better win than the guy that he lost almost every round to in his previous fight? Where he ranks all time isnt really important, its more about where he was at in his career when AJ fought him. The perception that he was on his way out and was Furys sloppy seconds will always be there, and it cheapens Joshuas win somewhat. Fury is 32 right now, undefeated, he beat Wlad, he beat Wilder - there are no "but hes old" "but he just lost" caveats when beating him like there is for Joshua beating Wlad.

We will never know how well Wlad have fared in the Fury rematch, all we have to go on is the first fight which wasnt close. Theres more reason to believe an AJ/Wlad rematch might have gone differently considering it was a life and death fight where Joshua got put on his arse.

And yes, you're right, Fury/Wlad was considered an upset at the time. 5 years later having seen how both fighters careers went after, it no longer is.

You’re making valid points, but ultimately I think Klitschko is a better win for AJ because of the stage AJ was at when he fought Klitschko (a novice) and to me Klitschko just looked more hungry than the listless version we saw taken by surprise by a then unknown quantity in a fight where so few punches were thrown. Klitschko clearly doesn’t share your sentiment about how the rematches would have gone, hence why he waived the rematch against AJ yet doggedly pursued the one with Fury.

For me it’s like someone arguing at the time that Evander Holyfield’s victory over Buster Douglas would bigger than a win over Mike Tyson, just because Tyson lost to Douglas.

Or hypothetically it would be like someone arguing that a win over Ruiz would be better than a win over AJ after the first shock result, with the only difference being that AJ got a chance to avenge his loss while Klitschko didn’t. Most people just knew AJ would do better hence the bookmaker odds, and lo and behold he did.

Not sure what you mean by your last statement - how has Fury proved it wasn’t an upset? Fury was out for 2 years afterwards and the only noticeable thing he has done since is beat Wilder, who to me is still a red herring given his soft opposition. Now if Wilder was to somehow blast out the next tier of heavyweights before we get to an AJ-Fury fight, I would probably be inclined to agree with you.

[Blackstarr]

Klitschko was 41 years old coming off a loss to Fury where he looked old shot and couldn't throw a punch and a 18 month layoff without a tuneup like AJ did. Nice try at deflect though. We are talking about AJ not Fury smh

What the hell are you talking about - you said Wilder would have KO’d Klitschko and I asked why didn’t he, instead of hiding away and leaving Fury to take the glory?

That article I shared quoted Wilder’s team avoiding Klitschko in comments made in January 2015, way before Klitschko eventually fought Fury later that year. Stop talking nonsense.

[Noelanthony]

wilder wasn't gifted a draw with a guy KD twice and knocked unconscious.

But it's a shame that you weren't gifted a brain. You're a full on (R)/etard

Of course he wasn’t because you have never witnessed a fighter get knocked down twice and still win the fight? Fury was knocked unconscious yet still took it to Wilder in the same round. Let me guess he only evaded most of Deontay’s punches because he had baby oil on. You are in denial you probably still believe Wilder is still WBC champion. Keep your head up you tool

[KillaMane26]

Who actually believes this nonsense

[Roberto Vasquez]

Hes also won practically every round against the same Wlad that Joshua went life and death with 18 months later, and he beat Wilder, twice if we are being honest.

Youre being disingenuous here. If Wlad is Joshuas best win (as most would claim) and Fury dominated Wlad, doesnt that mean Fury is better than anyone Joshua has faced?

I agree with you though - Fury is clearly the best fighter in the universe. Joshua is a bum, who could only stop an even older Wlad who Fury had already tired out over 12 rounds

Do you know how many times Fury has defended a world championship belt? I don't know but I'm sure it must be more than any fighter ever.

We should use that number to boast about how great he is here bro

[LoadedWraps]

I don’t think anyone is arguing that Klitschko was a bigger win for AJ than Fury, or at least I’m certainly not. I’m pushing back against the idea that Fury‘s win against Klitschko is better and that he is a better win for AJ.

I think people that do completely forget that the story of the fight aftermath at the time was almost entirely around what Klitschko didn’t do, rather than what Fury did. The performance was just so atypical and listless, compared to the dialled in version we witnessed the fight after.

This article sums it up perfectly:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2593843-wladimir-klitschko-vs-tyson-fury-winner-scorecard-and-reaction

I personally don’t feel that fight was an accurate representation of Klitschko and in the absence of a rematch, I have to take his overall body of work and agree that at this moment in time, he’s a bigger, better and more career defining win for AJ.

Atypical and listless only if you don't have a clue.

Most people don't know boxing. Analysts included. The fact that is was a topic of discussion shows ignorance. Wlad was completely shut down by Fury. It was a masterclass. And its right in front of you slapping you in the face. Fury controls the entire fight, and trying to spin the narrative that Wlad was just choosing to not throw, or "past it" really speaks to completely being lost with regards to how boxing works, what the goal is in a boxing match, and the basics and fundamentals of feints, positioning, jabs, and ring generalship.

If you (not just you, everyone reading) genuinely don't see the dominant performance, then you need to actually familiarize yourself with boxing beyond just grabbing popcorn and drinking a beer and cheering on exchanges, and you need to rewatch the fight and pay attention. This is like someone telling me a guy bunted in baseball because he didn't have the strength to hit the ball into the outfield. No dude, you just don't really understand the game yet.

[petero]

Can't wait to see Fury slap AJ around the ring. He makes himself look like a complete idiot talking like that especially after Ruiz battered him. No one believes that nonsense.

[Cool Scant]

What the hell are you talking about - you said Wilder would have KO’d Klitschko and I asked why didn’t he, instead of hiding away and leaving Fury to take the glory?

That article I shared quoted Wilder’s team avoiding Klitschko in comments made in January 2015, way before Klitschko eventually fought Fury later that year. Stop talking nonsense.

yes the same Klitschko that fought AJ wilder would've KOd him. The AJ that Klitschko fought was worse than the one fury fought.
Fury was Klitschko mandatory. So exactly when did wilder avoid him Name the fight that Klitschko fought that should've been wilder