Joe Joyce case tells us lot about Wilder

[LetOutTheCage]

Jennings and Stiverne are shot now...

Which great fighters did Jennings and Stiverne beat?

The point is they were never good in the first place

[TMLT87]

Ortiz would probably lose to Joyce, being old with a **** gas tank is ****ing terrible against a guy with Joyces pace. I'm not sure Wilder has an easy time with Joyce either. Tbh Fury is the only current HW who i think has the ability to beat Joyce comfortably without ever being in real trouble. Joyce is a lot more dangerous than the eye test makes him look.

[Earl-Hickey]

Jennings and Stiverne are shot now...

No they were always ****

Oh you said shot, my bad

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Ortiz would probably lose to Joyce, being old with a **** gas tank is ****ing terrible against a guy with Joyces pace. I'm not sure Wilder has an easy time with Joyce either. Tbh Fury is the only current HW who i think has the ability to beat Joyce comfortably without ever being in real trouble. Joyce is a lot more dangerous than the eye test makes him look.

If Joyce could add some additional speed & move his head a bit more, he would be a problem no doubt about it.

However I think Frank sees DDD as the future of Queensberry and I don't think he would've matched him against Joyce if he didn't think he would win.

Fury has apparently busted up and dropped Joyce in sparring, so it looks like his chin can be checked as well.

[KingHippo]

We all agree Joyce is slow, we all agree, he is not elite hw material, but still he beat guys like Jennings, Stiverne. But still, Stiverne is Wilder`s second best win, Jennings is the best win of Ortiz, but Ortiz is Wilder`s best win.

The Stiverne that Joyce beat was a shell of a man. Pre-Wilder Stiverne was actually respected before he was on Wilder's resume.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Stiverne best Chris Arreola when he was brought in to be a victim.

Jennings knocked out Liakvovich, who’s a former WBO champion.

So they were good at one point but now it’s six years later...

And yes, they didn’t beat any great fighters because then they would be great fighters. Klitschko dominated and now it’s Fury. I don’t get that point.

Which great fighters did Jennings and Stiverne beat?

The point is they were never good in the first place

[LetOutTheCage]

Stiverne best Chris Arreola when he was brought in to be a victim.

Jennings knocked out Liakvovich, who’s a former WBO champion.

So they were good at one point but now it’s six years later...

And yes, they didn’t beat any great fighters because then they would be great fighters. Klitschko dominated and now it’s Fury. I don’t get that point.

So they beat fellow nobodies an your trying to big them up lol. The point is ur trying to infer they were past it when they lost to Joyce when they never had it. Mediocre fighters who would have lost to Joyce at any point in time. That is the point

[Froch_uppercut]

Joyce is very much like wilder and fury really - constantly taking on ****** opponents.

JJ has only had 11 fights, and all opponents have winning records.
I agree that Fury and Wilder just don't fight the best guys, but Joyce is game and won't duck, unlike the other two.

[ShaneMosleySr]

They’re not nobodies and we don’t know if they would have lost to Joyce at any point and time because Joyce hasn’t had a step up fight.

I think he’s been very impressive but if he fights a top 10 guy and gets beat, he kind of hurts the idea that he would have beaten those guys at any point of their career.

So they beat fellow nobodies an your trying to big them up lol. The point is ur trying to infer they were past it when they lost to Joyce when they never had it. Mediocre fighters who would have lost to Joyce at any point in time. That is the point

[Scopedog]

Joyce is so huge and rugged and carries enough power that he can pretty much bully small and second-rate heavyweights at will but his flaws are so severe that I'm certain he'll got found out once he fights a real contender with skill and power (ie. Dubois.) Even the second-rate guys he's been fighting have had little difficulty in hitting him flush and he throws punches in slow motion.