Joe Joyce case tells us lot about Wilder

[JakeTheBoxer]

We all agree Joyce is slow, we all agree, he is not elite hw material, but still he beat guys like Jennings, Stiverne. But still, Stiverne is Wilder`s second best win, Jennings is the best win of Ortiz, but Ortiz is Wilder`s best win.

If Joyce loses to DDD, we should see Joyce - Ortiz. That would be great. I think Joyce and Ortiz are the same level.

[Kezzer]

Joyce is very much like wilder and fury really - constantly taking on ****** opponents.

[W1LL]

We all agree Joyce is slow, we all agree, he is not elite hw material, but still he beat guys like Jennings, Stiverne. But still, Stiverne is Wilder`s second best win, Jennings is the best win of Ortiz, but Ortiz is Wilder`s best win.

If Joyce loses to DDD, we should see Joyce - Ortiz. That would be great. I think Joyce and Ortiz are the same level.

Good call OP. Joyce - Doobwah is a great matchup, really looking forward to it. A real acid test for Danny Doobwah.

[Bunch Pag]

I think Ortiz will do an Ortiz on Joyce like he does an Ortiz on Wilder...

He will box his ears off but he couldn't finish his breakfast and ultimately get put to sleep from round 7/8...

[ShaneMosleySr]

Jennings and Stiverne are shot now...

[lolpz]

Wilder and Ortiz beat both of them at their prime/best.

Joyce struggled with a shot Jennings. Lost like 4 maybe even 5 rounds.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Wilder and Ortiz beat both of them at their prime/best.

Joyce struggled with a shot Jennings. Lost like 4 maybe even 5 rounds.

Wilder lost nearly all rounds against Washington...and?

[famicommander]

Fighting Stiverne as reigning champion in 2015 is much different than fighting Stiverne after a devastating KO loss and an extended layoff in 2019.

Fighting Bryant Jennings to a UD in 2019 coming off a TKO loss is also not the same thing as a TKO 7 against him in 2015.

[Curt Henning]

Fighting Stiverne as reigning champion in 2015 is much different than fighting Stiverne after a devastating KO loss and an extended layoff in 2019.

Fighting Bryant Jennings to a UD in 2019 coming off a TKO loss is also not the same thing as a TKO 7 against him in 2015.

no no...its wilder derangement syndrome...same thing!!!

[boliodogs]

I think he would beat Ortiz today. He might also beat DDD. He is not fast or a great boxer but he hits hard, has great stamina, take punches well and keeps coming. That can be a hard combination to beat.Has anybody ever knocked him down or hurt him much?