What makes Fury a special fighter?

[Froch_uppercut]

Yup!!!! I was. Fight a long way out so we will see once the fight gets closer.

K mate, I'm all in.

[Toffee]

Pretty good summary, but people are getting carried away with this cat. Wilder wasn't even that good, so I'd label that as a 'decent' win. The Wlad win was very good, but you need to subtract fom his credibility for the struggles he's had against no names.
He's also a ducker, as we shall see when he vacates to avoid Whyte. 100% guaranteed duck.

Ahead of the first fight I thought he would have far too much for Wilder. But that's more about how I saw Wilder. He was never great. Nowhere near.

When I say I rank the second fight as a 'very good' win, it's more to do with the way he did it. Made the adjustment, showed us something else. That can be the difference between good and great. It's what Champions do and, fair play to him, he did it very well.

But, yes, there's a lot still to go with Fury and people are well ahead of themselves.

I don't think he's a 'ducker' but he certainly won't fight Whyte. He'll do what he wants to do, even if that means vacating belts. Sadly, I think it will be a long time before we see an undisputed champion. Joshua can't keep hold of his belts much longer.

[h2k]

A bit like Mayweather in that regard huh?

Money may was always tested by USADA and he's the only boxer who is 100% clean.

[GrandpaBernard]

Difficult to outbox due to his finesse and length

Hard to outfight due to the strength from his giant size

[PRINCEKOOL]

I don't really think from a technical perspective, he is really showing us anything new. There have been faster heavyweights, there have been heavyweights with more multidimensional offenses, and better defenses.

But what makes Tyson Fury special is his belief in himself, he has that same kind of unshakable believe that Muhammad Ali & Prince Naseem Hamed had etc His belief is not entirely based on logic or physiological variables 'This is a different level of belief, that I have not detected in any other active fighter.

The last real fighter who in my opinion had this same kind of belief was Prince Naseem Hamed.

In the movie 'The Matrix' there is a scene where? Morpheus was explaining what the matrix was to Neo, he explains that no matter how fast or strong the agents are? Their speed and strength are based on rules.

We live in the age of science, and scientism. And most boxers get their self belief from science, statistics, physiological parameters that they can observably measure. How many runs they have completed, how much weight they have lifted inside gym, how many repetitions of calisthenics they have achieved etc

'I estimate about 50% of Tyson Fury's ability is not based on anything of this world' his belief is not entirely influenced by classical mechanics. That is why when he was out of the game, he still genuinely believed he was the best heavyweight on the planet, I CAN read people very well. Tyson Fury was not attempting to self motivated himself, he was speaking his Truth.

This is what makes him special 'It is his greatest asset'. Because lets be real about it? Anthony Joshua is out matching him in every single athletic department, even in some ways Joshua's mentality is not normal 'I have compared Joshua to batman' Joshua has been preparing for Tyson Fury for years, that is the type of mentality he has etc

[LoadedWraps]

I don't really think from a technical perspective, he is really showing us anything new. There have been faster heavyweights, there have been heavyweights with more multidimensional offenses, and better defenses.

But what makes Tyson Fury special is his belief in himself, he has that same kind of unshakable believe that Muhammad Ali & Prince Naseem Hamed had etc His belief is not entirely based on logic or physiological variables 'This is a different level of belief, that I have not detected in any other active fighter.

The last real fighter who in my opinion had this same kind of belief was Prince Naseem Hamed.

In the movie 'The Matrix' there is a scene where? Morpheus was explaining what the matrix was to Neo, he explains that no matter how fast or strong the agents are? Their speed and strength are based on rules.

We live in the age of science, and scientism. And most boxers get their self belief from science, statistics, physiological parameters that they can observably measure. How many runs they have completed, how much weight they have lifted inside gym, how many repetitions of calisthenics they have achieved etc

'I estimate about 50% of Tyson Fury's ability is not based on anything of this world' his belief is not entirely influenced by classical mechanics. That is why when he was out of the game, he still genuinely believed he was the best heavyweight on the planet, I CAN read people very well. Tyson Fury was not attempting to self motivated himself, he was speaking his Truth.

This is what makes him special 'It is his greatest asset'. Because lets be real about it? Anthony Joshua is out matching him in every single athletic department, even in some ways Joshua's mentality is not normal 'I have compared Joshua to batman' Joshua has been preparing for Tyson Fury for years, that is the type of mentality he has etc

I kind of disagree with your first comment, isolated, nothing might be net new, but we have never seen a HW as complete as Fury technically. I don't think people truly realize the significance of "he can do anything offensively and defensively". Very few fighters across all divisions is this actually true for.

I also think what you describe, the reliance of metrics, is a weakness, when it comes to evaluating the self as a competitor. I'm the same was as Fury and people like us are indeed the minority. Its why you see me constantly defend and argue that aging fighters can still perform at the highest level. Its because it begins with self belief and a refusal to let anyone else dictate the rules for you. People like us only find motivation from doubters. And people who want to tear down an individual with such self belief are deplorable. It isn't unique to him but it is unique that we have a total package, as I said before. The mind is extraordinarily powerful, I evidenced this in the military and I carry my confidence everywhere I go because I consider myself a self actualized individual. I don't care what the odds are, what the laws of science say, or what Tom, ****, or Harry say. If I'm determined to do something I have to see myself fail to believe I will fail. It is this mentality that I basically expect from elite fighters, because I have that mentality as an amateur fighter. I hate self defeat. I hate when people willingly hang them up, or allow others to convince them their time is over.

[GrandpaBernard]

Fury getting up from that Wilder shot is one of the most amazing moments in boxing ever

The man is simply a hero when it comes to psychological health

He made depression a joke and became HW champ again

[Froch_uppercut]

Ahead of the first fight I thought he would have far too much for Wilder. But that's more about how I saw Wilder. He was never great. Nowhere near.

When I say I rank the second fight as a 'very good' win, it's more to do with the way he did it. Made the adjustment, showed us something else. That can be the difference between good and great. It's what Champions do and, fair play to him, he did it very well.

But, yes, there's a lot still to go with Fury and people are well ahead of themselves.

I don't think he's a 'ducker' but he certainly won't fight Whyte. He'll do what he wants to do, even if that means vacating belts. Sadly, I think it will be a long time before we see an undisputed champion. Joshua can't keep hold of his belts much longer.

What do you think of the chances that Fury V joshua will possibly be diminished (from happening) if Fury avoids Whyte and vacates, meaning that the fight with AJ would not be for undisputed and therefore has less allure to AJ? I worry that could make negotiations difficult as Fury would be bringing less to the table.

[LoadedWraps]

What do you think of the chances that Fury V joshua will possibly be diminished (from happening) if Fury avoids Whyte and vacates, meaning that the fight with AJ would not be for undisputed and therefore has less allure to AJ? I worry that could make negotiations difficult as Fury would be bringing less to the table.

If you consider Fury the man to beat belts or not, what does it really matter? He is lineal until he loses or retires. I expect him to make title defenses, but it's hard to argue against the desire to unite the titles.

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

he's "touched in the head" as he says himself, he can dig deep and is unpredictable, that is a nightmare opponent for anyone, whatever size