DAZN being cheap, don't want to pay Canelo full price for next fight

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  • 2ndroundko
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    #31
    Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
    Nope, Guerrero only got paid $3M, Ortiz $2M, Berto $4M. Floyd got the PPV percentage on top of his guaranteed $32M.
    yes they do get a cut of ppv which isnt reported as part of the purse since the total isnt known for months

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      #32
      Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
      How is this any different than Floyd's opponents being paid $5M or less while he was getting paid $35M+? Guerrero, Ortiz, Maidana, Berto weren't worth more than what they were paid. If Smith is worth more than what he is being offered then let him find that money against another opponent. Canelo will need to match against opponents that will bring in the revenue to pay for his inflated contract. They took a huge loss on the Kovalev fight and without a GGG trilogy they'll be bleeding even more revenue.
      Once again, this "huge loss" you keep talking about is nonsense. On a non-PPV, there is no such thing as a loss. DAZN signing Canelo was to build their brand and for him to attract subscribers. Canelo at one point was responsible for over 85% of the subscribers. If they are taking "huge losses" with Canelo fights, then what are they taking on fights paying GGG 15M a fight where there is no evidence of him bringing in any substantial amount of subscribers? If you use the weak gate revenue argument, then GGG barely did over a million against Derevyanchenko while the combined purses of the main event was over 20M.

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      • GhostofDempsey
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        #33
        Originally posted by KTFOKING
        Once again, this "huge loss" you keep talking about is nonsense. On a non-PPV, there is no such thing as a loss. DAZN signing Canelo was to build their brand and for him to attract subscribers. Canelo at one point was responsible for over 85% of the subscribers. If they are taking "huge losses" with Canelo fights, then what are they taking on fights paying GGG 15M a fight where there is no evidence of him bringing in any substantial amount of subscribers? If you use the weak gate revenue argument, then GGG barely did over a million against Derevyanchenko while the combined purses of the main event was over 20M.
        Canelo/Kovalev generated just over $8M in gate revenue. The reason they postponed the start time to the dreadful 1:00 AM was to buy some time for subscriptions to surge. I don’t see how DAZN did not lose money on this, they had to pay out a minimum or $48 million for the purses.

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          #34
          Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
          Canelo/Kovalev generated just over $8M in gate revenue. The reason they postponed the start time to the dreadful 1:00 AM was to buy some time for subscriptions to surge. I don’t see how DAZN did not lose money on this, they had to pay out a minimum or $48 million for the purses.
          GATE REVENUE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FIGHT BEING A SUCCESS OR NOT. What don't you get? This isn't where the contracts are guaranteed for the fighters and what determines it being successful is PPV buys covering all the purses and expenses.

          Do you think this fight was going to have a 48M gate or something? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Once again, this man is responsible for majority of the subscribers. Without him, DAZN would hardly have any subscribers.

          But why did you ignore the Golovkin part here. Combined purses of 20M for the main event and a gate barely over a million. I mean if you are basing gate revenues as the only way to determine what is a success or not, then DAZN has been a complete and utter failure.

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          • Kezzer
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            #35
            Originally posted by Mexican Bidness
            Steve Kim shilling for ESPN and his love for GGG, insinuating that Kovalev was a bad choice instead of fighting GGG. Lol. DAZN pays $4bil but they wouldn’t have their reserve for Alvarez?!

            However, it did just purchase the rights for Germany's Bundesliga soccer league for more than $4 billion.

            A source familiar with this relationship told ESPN that officials at DAZN have grown increasingly frustrated with the matchups that have been formulated for Alvarez.


            Only DAZN would be suckers listening to Hearn that Smith is a “bad choice,” a guy who holds the Ring and Super WBA. They think a fight with Smith for the DAZN UK launch doesn’t bring subs for a fight against Alvarez?! LMAO

            This is all Eddie Hearn. When Ghallagher started talking about Sky and PPV I knew Hearn and dirty politics started to brew. Hearn still bending over to Sky.

            This is bad karma for Hearn.
            Canelo wouldn’t be the best fighter to launch in the UK, he really isn’t as big here as the other side of the ocean - certainly not among casuals.

            That said, dazn maybe limited on options with sky obviously holding the keys in the UK.

            I watched the Ortiz fight on dazn last night and that worked really well for me to be fair, but it’s uk names that would pull in casuals. Will be interested to see how the sky vs dazn dynamic works.

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            • Thuglife Nelo
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              #36
              Originally posted by Kezzer
              Canelo wouldn’t be the best fighter to launch in the UK, he really isn’t as big here as the other side of the ocean - certainly not among casuals.

              That said, dazn maybe limited on options with sky obviously holding the keys in the UK.

              I watched the Ortiz fight on dazn last night and that worked really well for me to be fair, but it’s uk names that would pull in casuals. Will be interested to see how the sky vs dazn dynamic works.
              I think you’re confused. It’s Canelo vs X UK Fighter. How
              many Brits want to see Canelo lose to a Brit?

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              • Kezzer
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                #37
                Originally posted by Mexican Bidness
                I think you’re confused. It’s Canelo vs X UK Fighter. How
                many Brits want to see Canelo lose to a Brit?
                Honestly - go and speak to casuals and they wouldn’t know who canelo is. So the number your looking for would be very low.

                If your launching in the UK then BJS vs Smith would make far more sense than including canelo in there - but that’s if it’s purely about uk subscribers only

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                  #38
                  Canelo doesn’t “HAVE” to do anything. He’s the Pope. He expects them to honour his contract. They know what he’s like to deal with. I don’t think anyone truly knows with this new model how all the numbers have worked out. If they were to trash Canelo and say his fights are losing money for them just looks bad on them also. To say everything’s great will just enforce that he will want what was promised. Nobody is surprised things are in this position, regardless of covid. They paid him superfight money for all his contracted fights thinking somehow fighters have ten of those fights in a row. No precedent for that. They will probably have to find a million dollar scrub to fight. Lucky for that guy.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Mexican Bidness
                    I think you’re confused. It’s Canelo vs X UK Fighter. How
                    many Brits want to see Canelo lose to a Brit?
                    To most Brits, Canelo could be the bloke who just served them at McDonald's drive through..

                    Like anything, you want to see your own do well against anyone.. well apart from the likes of Whyte....

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by champion4ever
                      Either Canelo take this fight on shorts or risk DAZN going completely and permanently out of business. It's his choice. They are in near financial ruin and could use a loan to seriously pay off their debts.

                      Canelo understands the current climate we are living in. Without a live gate DAZN doesn't stand a chance of matching his guarantee.

                      The upside of this is it's only temporary and he is still working and has a job. That's more than what 40 million Americans can say.
                      almost 50million Americans

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