True Or False? Gennady Golovkin is Currently The Weakest Champ At Middleweight.

[MPDKSAB]

Difficult question to answer kid as we havnt seen ggg in 2020

canelo - very unlikely
the other 2 - possibly

Ya'll dudes trying awfully hard to not acknowledge this guy is old, not in his prime nomore what is he about 38? It's over. This ain't last year or the year before that.

Canelo is actually more likely than the other two

True or false; This poll is trash?

I challenge you to a debate. 🤔 Why is that? (& please don't run)

My, you're in touchy mood today aincha?

Does Rozier's opinion hold any weight? Yeah sure it does, just no more than many other factor I'd be taking into consideration, nor any more than any other trainer saying one of their dudes is the best around. That shit's kinda predictable y'know? Shields has said the same kinda things about Jermall, I gotta believe him too?

- but it's kinda moot anyway cos I already said I'd favour Boo-Boo to come out on top in a 3 way, I just ain't gonna say he's #1 until I've seen him actually beat someone better than Sulecki or Culcay.

That clear enough for you there, champ?

Again you're not making sense. Derevyanchenko is Rozier's fighter. Not Andrade. So it's different from Shields-Charlo. You the one who doesn't get it, you reiterating something that I understood the 1st time I saw it. I already said it didn't make sense. Now if you caught that, like you didn't the 1st time we'd be crystal clear

































champ.

No, yes and yes.

Charlo and Andrade are both paper champs.

Why don't GGG go take them paper belts then? 🤔 Especially Andrade's since they're both Matchroom Dazn fighters. Easy fight in theory to make..

By not knowing proves my point more than it proves yours. Like I said, he's fought no one who's name is worth mentioning. That includes 154 too!

And

OKAY Andrade fought ONE top 10 guy and you think that makes him a killer right?

You talk to me like im an Andrade hater when in reality I could care less about him. I'd love to see him take on some better fights but the fact is that he hasn't.

Do I think he's avoided? Absolutely not. Do I think he's a high risk low reward? Yes. By beating Andrade what does that do for anyone's record? Pretty much squat.

For a guy claiming to be calling out the big names he sure hasn't put himself in a position to capitalize and he looks like he's pretty content not fighting at the highest level but pretending like he is.

To me hes no different than the Devin Haney or Ryan Garcias of the world except hes almost 10 years older than both of those guys.

Talk is talk. Im a big GGG fan so let's not talk about fighters being avoided. Andrade is nothing like GGG so let's stop pretending.

Andrade has a boring personality and a non friendly causal style. Is that his fault? No. But he isn't helping himself at all.

Whos Andrade fighting next by the way?

Id like to see Andrade continue to fight top 10 guys until he can land the fight he wants. But seems to me like he doesn't want it.

And man, tell me what kind of trainer isnt going to talk up their boxer huh? Go talk to tefimo lopez Sr and i bet hes telling you that Teo KOs HWs easy. But you'll believe him right?

Andrade will never get the fight with GGG as GGG will probably end his Career with Canelo, who just happens to be better than Andrade imo.

If they were to fight now though money is still on GGG 60-40.

Not really. Nobody ever said he fought somebody that was "popular." I'm just pointing out the facts. Actually he was a killer long before he fought Sulecki & he would be whether he fought him or not.


I don't see how I'm talking to you like you're a hater of anybody. If I felt like that I wouldn't even have responded to you initially. I just see a lot of things get regurgitated & said even after they've been proven false. & I noticed you ain't tell me who's the people tryna fight him... 🤔

You telling me you think Andrade's not avoided puts everything in perspective. In addition to saying something inaccurate about who he's fought... You don't follow this closely enough to have an accurate assessment of what's going on. & that's not a diss it's just obvious. Matter of fact as I read your post more you just a casual or a GGG fan solely or a combination of the two.

Andrade is more avoided than GGG ever was. As a "big GGG fan" I bet you ain't even know Andrade was one of the few if any talking about he wanted GGG you know, when he was the "boogeyman." A title that now not only belongs to Andrade at 160 but P4P in all of boxing! You know what's funny about you implying something I said about trainers, aside from the fact I wasn't even talking to you about trainers. GGG's old trainer Abel Sanchez said, Andrade would make Canelo look silly WHILE HE WAS TRAINING GGG. WHILE GGG WAS IN HIS PRIME. As long as the professionals see what I see, I know I'm not bugging out. The real boxing fans know who's moving around who & why they doing it. Talent>popularity. GGG saved you money!

Charlo got a gift against Korobov and Andrade has ZERO quality opponents on his record.

He's ahead of Charlo and Andrade so.......No.

Can 2020- GGG beat Canelo, Andrade, or Charlo?

Until someone beats him convincingly then he is still legit.

No matter how much you slip...

But is he AS legit? 🤔 & is he too legit to quit? Or is it only Canelo then we retiring & shìt?

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Ya'll would probably favor 66 Y.O. Hagler too if he had a belt😆 because he "proved more." But Ya'll know damn well he don't have the capabilities to do what he used too. We talking today! As in not now but right now!!

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Just because you say something doesn't make it true.

That goes for the entire forum. GGG technically never beat Canelo although many feel he did in their 1st fight.

Similarly many GGG fans prefer NOT to talk about Dervenchenko fight bc it was a gift...

[_Rexy_]

That goes for the entire forum. GGG technically never beat Canelo although many feel he did in their 1st fight.

Similarly many GGG fans prefer NOT to talk about Dervenchenko fight bc it was a gift...

Wasn’t a gift, it was a close fight. Could have gone either way. I had it G by a round.

[El_Mero]

Does that same guy exist tho? Or is Canelo-GGG3 an inevitable decisive upcoming win for Canelo. & that's not cause Canelo has shown improvement since Pt. 2

I honestly dont think so. Saul dodged him the last few years with bs excuses. Now that G is even older, he decides to fight him....kinda weird, but his fans will claim its the greatest victory.

[Citizen Koba]

Again you're not making sense. Derevyanchenko is Rozier's fighter. Not Andrade. So it's different from Shields-Charlo. You the one who doesn't get it, you reiterating something that I understood the 1st time I saw it. I already said it didn't make sense. Now if you caught that, like you didn't the 1st time we'd be crystal clear.

Andrade is trained by Rozier at least partly though, isn't he? Or at the very least they have an extremely close relationship. Check out Andre gushing about how close he is to Boo Boo around the 4 minute mark here:



This ain't like he's offering an opinion on some random fighter now, is it? 'I love him... my nephew... that's my baby'. For real I love how Rozier cares about his fighters though, comes across a real warm compassionate human being... honestly one of my favourite trainers in the sport.

EDIt; Hell here's another interview with Rozier where he goes into even more depth about his deep relationship with Boo Boo since he was a young man, and working with him.



https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Andre_Rozier

(see Andrade's name at the bottom of the list of fighters he trains?)

https://www.************.com/2020/05...and-benavidez/

(boxing news 24)

https://www.*************.com/headli...s-a-big-fight/

(boxing insider)

https://hannibalboxing.com/wreaking-havoc-andre-rozier-keeps-cranking-out-champions/

Rozier was quick to point out that each fighter he’s worked with at the world level brought his respective merits to the table. “I appreciate my fighters from different aspects. Danny [Jacobs] and Demetrius [Andrade], aka ‘Boo Boo’ are special.

Hell you'll even notice in interviews Andre calling Boo-Boo his 'nephew' same as he does with his other fighters.

So...

But even if Rozier wasn't working with and extremely close to Boo Boo - let's say Andre was just a genuine fan or was just blown away by his talent - why would I rate one man's opinion over actual accomplishment?

Look, man, OK, I get it, you feel strongly that Andrade is better than Golovkin, and that's cool. It's a reasonable opinion, but opinion is all it is. When he actually beats someone better than Sulecki maybe you'll get a few more votes huh?

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Wasn’t a gift, it was a close fight. Could have gone either way. I had it G by a round.

"The majority of writers from press row had Ukraine’s Derevyanchenko (13-2, 10KOs)—a 2008 Olympian for his native country before relocating to Brooklyn, New York upon turning pro in 2014—claiming a narrow win. The call from the broadcast team at DAZN—which aired the bout—also had it for the 33-year old.

Yet, pulling three random media scorecards who scored it for Derevyanchenko—ESPN.com’s Dan Rafael (114-113), TheAthletic.com’s boxing insider and breaking news specialist Mike “Sources” Coppinger (114-113) and the live scorecard provided by BoxingScene.com (115-112)—shows the same subjectivity in scoring, as they also agreed on just five of the 12 rounds."

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-derevyanchenko-scorecard-analysis--143162

More professionals had it for Dervenchenko than for GGG. That's the definition of a GIFT.

GGG lost to Dervenchenko, ducked a Jacobs rematch - and there are some who legitimately think Jacobs won - and lost Canelo rematch. GGG shouldve got the nod in 1st Canelo fight, but that was years ago. GGG is far from the best MW today. In fact GGG is probably the weakest MW champion

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& for the ppl who ride the short bus I'm not saying GGG is a weak champ. I'm saying at this point in time he's the weakest of the current champs.

He is the best middleweight champion and he would be the betting favorite over any other middleweight champion except Canelo who is never going to fight below 168 anyway. You are clearly just a hater making a special thread to tell us all how weak he is and influence your poll. It didn't work. A few other GGG haters agreed with you but the big majority voted that he is not a weak champion. If he is so weak he will lose a fight but he has only lost once to Canelo who beats everybody and that loss was extremely close and disputed by many viewers.

[Curt Henning]

Ya'll dudes trying awfully hard to not acknowledge this guy is old, not in his prime nomore what is he about 38? It's over. This ain't last year or the year before that.

Canelo is actually more likely than the other two

I challenge you to a debate. 🤔 Why is that? (& please don't run)

Again you're not making sense. Derevyanchenko is Rozier's fighter. Not Andrade. So it's different from Shields-Charlo. You the one who doesn't get it, you reiterating something that I understood the 1st time I saw it. I already said it didn't make sense. Now if you caught that, like you didn't the 1st time we'd be crystal clear

































champ.

Why don't GGG go take them paper belts then? 🤔 Especially Andrade's since they're both Matchroom Dazn fighters. Easy fight in theory to make..


Not really. Nobody ever said he fought somebody that was "popular." I'm just pointing out the facts. Actually he was a killer long before he fought Sulecki & he would be whether he fought him or not.


I don't see how I'm talking to you like you're a hater of anybody. If I felt like that I wouldn't even have responded to you initially. I just see a lot of things get regurgitated & said even after they've been proven false. & I noticed you ain't tell me who's the people tryna fight him... 🤔

You telling me you think Andrade's not avoided puts everything in perspective. In addition to saying something inaccurate about who he's fought... You don't follow this closely enough to have an accurate assessment of what's going on. & that's not a diss it's just obvious. Matter of fact as I read your post more you just a casual or a GGG fan solely or a combination of the two.

Andrade is more avoided than GGG ever was. As a "big GGG fan" I bet you ain't even know Andrade was one of the few if any talking about he wanted GGG you know, when he was the "boogeyman." A title that now not only belongs to Andrade at 160 but P4P in all of boxing! You know what's funny about you implying something I said about trainers, aside from the fact I wasn't even talking to you about trainers. GGG's old trainer Abel Sanchez said, Andrade would make Canelo look silly WHILE HE WAS TRAINING GGG. WHILE GGG WAS IN HIS PRIME. As long as the professionals see what I see, I know I'm not bugging out. The real boxing fans know who's moving around who & why they doing it. Talent>popularity. GGG saved you money!


Can 2020- GGG beat Canelo, Andrade, or Charlo?

No matter how much you slip...

But is he AS legit? 🤔 & is he too legit to quit? Or is it only Canelo then we retiring & shìt?

bro...dont waste your time with r-handed southpaw...a couple of months back i tried to discuss andrade and golovkin with him and he told me that szeremata is "ranked higher by the ibf" to try and prove some ****amamie point of his....he literally actually tried using that as a point of reference and had no idea that they arent ranking the other orgs champs...he was literally like "szeremata is ranked higher than andrade by the ibf"!!!!

then disappeared for a few weeks lol...hes a clown of the highest order

[Curt Henning]

andrades resume/career stinks...i actually think now that sulecki is the best fighter on it....hes not bad and hes tough....but thats a pretty weak top win for a 32 year old champ/olympian

that being said hes def avoided....andrade vs golovkin/canelo are easy makes...but neither of those guys are interested because hes too much risk for little reward other than a belt neither of those guys need

when canelo told golovkin to go get another belt and "we can talk" he went for the ibf against chenko who he knew wasnt better than danny jacobs....instead of going against the untested/unknown entity who happens to be an athletic, fast, soutphpaw with pedigree

it go so bad and hearn is so desperate he was trying to lure charlo over for a fight...andrade is def being avoided....but hes wasting time...if you cant get big fights you gotta go do something to get noticed...like maybe try going up for a belt or something...anything....even if it means dragging up a name WW or something....you cant sit around and waste your prime just hoping

im actually suprised that hearn, who owns one of the most prized pieces in boxing(AJ), cant leverage AJ into getting something really good for andrade