True Or False? Gennady Golovkin is Currently The Weakest Champ At Middleweight.

[Citizen Koba]

andrades resume/career stinks...i actually think now that sulecki is the best fighter on it....hes not bad and hes tough....but thats a pretty weak top win for a 32 year old champ/olympian

that being said hes def avoided....andrade vs golovkin/canelo are easy makes...but neither of those guys are interested because hes too much risk for little reward other than a belt neither of those guys need

when canelo told golovkin to go get another belt and "we can talk" he went for the ibf against chenko who he knew wasnt better than danny jacobs....instead of going against the untested/unknown entity who happens to be an athletic, fast, soutphpaw with pedigree

it go so bad and hearn is so desperate he was trying to lure charlo over for a fight...andrade is def being avoided....but hes wasting time...if you cant get big fights you gotta go do something to get noticed...like maybe try going up for a belt or something...anything....even if it means dragging up a name WW or something....you cant sit around and waste your prime just hoping

im actually suprised that hearn, who owns one of the most prized pieces in boxing(AJ), cant leverage AJ into getting something really good for andrade

This is kinda what I was hoping, that having actually invested in Boo Boo, and looking to break into the US market Hearn would be seriously motivated to make him the best fights, but either he hasn't tried or he ain't tried hard enough (or maybe DAZN tightening budgets have made it difficult). Damn shame though. Hate to see that kinda talent go to waste, and frankly at 32 Andrade ain't got long left at his best.

Problem with just trying to buy up a few elite names without much depth to the stable is that you can't risk em fighting each other, especially when you ain't got a secure foothold in the market. Expensive too. Better to get ten regular guys and build 'em up by fighting each other - let the public see them grow, get invested in em - rather than one elite guy who's too precious to risk getting beat or who's gonna be avoided.

[MPDKSAB]

Andrade is trained by Rozier at least partly though, isn't he? Or at the very least they have an extremely close relationship. Check out Andre gushing about how close he is to Boo Boo around the 4 minute mark here:



This ain't like he's offering an opinion on some random fighter now, is it? 'I love him... my nephew... that's my baby'. For real I love how Rozier cares about his fighters though, comes across a real warm compassionate human being... honestly one of my favourite trainers in the sport.

EDIt; Hell here's another interview with Rozier where he goes into even more depth about his deep relationship with Boo Boo since he was a young man, and working with him.



https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Andre_Rozier

(see Andrade's name at the bottom of the list of fighters he trains?)

https://www.************.com/2020/05...and-benavidez/

(boxing news 24)

https://www.*************.com/headli...s-a-big-fight/

(boxing insider)

https://hannibalboxing.com/wreaking-havoc-andre-rozier-keeps-cranking-out-champions/

Hell you'll even notice in interviews Andre calling Boo-Boo his 'nephew' same as he does with his other fighters.

So...

But even if Rozier wasn't working with and extremely close to Boo Boo - let's say Andre was just a genuine fan or was just blown away by his talent - why would I rate one man's opinion over actual accomplishment?

Look, man, OK, I get it, you feel strongly that Andrade is better than Golovkin, and that's cool. It's a reasonable opinion, but opinion is all it is. When he actually beats someone better than Sulecki maybe you'll get a few more votes huh?

Correct. But he doesn't train Andrade, he has worked with him in the past, yeah but he was never the head trainer. But lets include that since I'm sure you're thinking it makes a difference & you tryna imply he's only saying this cause he knew Andrade 1st. Which is the reason I included Jacobs initially... It wasn't understood that they were on bad terms when Rozier said that... You don't think he knew Jacobs before Andrade? & they were more than likely closer than Rozier & Andrade could ever have been. About the "nephew" thing, Rozier calls almost every fighter he worked with on some level that. I just look at it as a term of endearment I guess.


It's starting to feel like you think I said what Rozier thinks to make you flat out agree with him, so let me clarify & provide context. If I think a certain guy is a barometer for another (in the context of who's the best, weak champion blah blah) & I didn't know his own trainer doesn't & already feels the other guy is the best. Speaking from my perspective that would make me say "hold up, damn his own current trainer doesn't think that? Let me re-evaluate the talent & in ring capabilities of both these guys & try to understand why he would say that." That's all man. Because to me it absolutely means something even if I don't completely agree with him.


Votes have no bearing on what will happen. I don't mind going against the grain cause I know I'm right. I just wanted to check the temperature & see what the consensus of the people are saying. Doesn't mean I will agree. If Thurman had the WBA right now, he'did still be the weakest champ rn despite Porter & Garcia wins. But some ppl don't get it. For what it's worth I haven't seen a substantial argument in this thread for why 2020- GGG wouldn't be the weakest champ.

He is the best middleweight champion and he would be the betting favorite over any other middleweight champion except Canelo who is never going to fight below 168 anyway. You are clearly just a hater making a special thread to tell us all how weak he is and influence your poll. It didn't work. A few other GGG haters agreed with you but the big majority voted that he is not a weak champion. If he is so weak he will lose a fight but he has only lost once to Canelo who beats everybody and that loss was extremely close and disputed by many viewers.

Aww 😍😍 poor baby are you little mad or big mad? Lemme get you your bottle since you wanna suck my dìck so bad. You nigģas is a special breed of remedial. Ya'll are allergic to reading & common sense. Read through the thread & try harder next time & that common sense thing. Don't forget that either 😉

[Pantera_]

Golovkin is 1-1 with Canelo (IMO) at that weight so he's still a top dog.

D-Chenko did beat him tho that was a pretty bad robbery that needs to be run back.

[AKAcronym]

Can we please stop calling Golovkin/Derev a robbery? It was a close fight but in no way a robbery or a gift. Derev doesn't get added points for a **** ton of cuffing shots and punches below the belt. He brought it to Golovkin in a way we hadn't seen since probably Ouma, but that doesn't mean he automatically should have won.

[Citizen Koba]

Correct. But he doesn't train Andrade, he has worked with him in the past, yeah but he was never the head trainer. But lets include that since I'm sure you're thinking it makes a difference & you tryna imply he's only saying this cause he knew Andrade 1st. Which is the reason I included Jacobs initially... It wasn't understood that they were on bad terms when Rozier said that... You don't think he knew Jacobs before Andrade? & they were more than likely closer than Rozier & Andrade could ever have been. About the "nephew" thing, Rozier calls almost every fighter he worked with on some level that. I just look at it as a term of endearment I guess.


It's starting to feel like you think I said what Rozier thinks to make you flat out agree with him, so let me clarify & provide context. If I think a certain guy is a barometer for another (in the context of who's the best, weak champion blah blah) & I didn't know his own trainer doesn't & already feels the other guy is the best. Speaking from my perspective that would make me say "hold up, damn his own current trainer doesn't think that? Let me re-evaluate the talent & in ring capabilities of both these guys & try to understand why he would say that." That's all man. Because to me it absolutely means something even if I don't completely agree with him.


Votes have no bearing on what will happen. I don't mind going against the grain cause I know I'm right. I just wanted to check the temperature & see what the consensus of the people are saying. Doesn't mean I will agree. If Thurman had the WBA right now, he'did still be the weakest champ rn despite Porter & Garcia wins. But some ppl don't get it. For what it's worth I haven't seen a substantial argument in this thread for why 2020- GGG wouldn't be the weakest champ.

OK, man. I still don't understand your point, but I guess your opinion's as valid as anyone else's. FWIW though I did already acknowledge that Rozier's opinion carries some weight and that I think there's a good chance of Boo Boo beating GGG.

WRT to the bolded - well, it's your thread and your premise... I think convention and logic dictate the burden of proof lies with your here. You haven't really made a strong argument why you consider GGG to be the weakest, nor have you disproved the antitheses... not really sure you made an argument at all, in fact, just offered your opinion and Roziers. But since, as you say, the thread's just a barometer I guess it's served it's purpose.

Guess the world ain't ready for your wisdom, man.

[Boxing Goat]

You think I care watu think fired or backfired?

So, you acknowledge that it backfired, then?

[techliam]

Canelo
Golovkin
Jacobs
Chenko
Charlo
Andrade
Murata

Isn’t exactly a difficult list to order. Change Golovkin/Canelo around if you feel obliged, and remove Jacobs if you think he’s no longer a middleweight. But I don’t see any real dispute over the ordering

[SUBZER0ED]

Ya'll dudes trying awfully hard to not acknowledge this guy is old, not in his prime nomore what is he about 38? It's over. This ain't last year or the year before that.

Canelo is actually more likely than the other two

I challenge you to a debate. 🤔 Why is that? (& please don't run)

Andrade is the weakest MW and has yet to beat any real top level opponent. Your poll sounds like another hate on Golovkin thing.

[MPDKSAB]

Andrade is the weakest MW and has yet to beat any real top level opponent. Your poll sounds like another hate on Golovkin thing.

Interpretation skills some of the worst on here. If Andrade is the weakest why GGG rather face some guy ppl are unfamiliar with, vs a unification vs the weakest according to you in Andrade? You prefer Steve Rolls & GGG's mandatory over Andrade?

[kidbazooka]

Nope.

The weakest right now is definitely charlo and Andrade.