Floyd level with the 4 kings says Leonard

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  • garfios
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    #31
    Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer
    I agree he is the same level if we talk about skills.

    But I don`t believe Mayweather could beat anybody of 4 kings. Maybe Duran.- Just maybe.
    Not Duran at 135

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      #32
      Originally posted by MONGOOSE66
      How tall was Chico Corrales?
      He's not talking about height. They were naturally bigger than floyd. SRL and Hearns started at 147 and ended it one a SuperMiddle and the other one at LH.

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        #33
        Originally posted by MONGOOSE66
        How tall was Chico Corrales?
        It doesn't matter because neither Sugar Ray Leonard or Thomas Hearns ever weighed at least a 130 lbs in their professional careers because unlike Chico Corrales they were naturally larger and wider men.

        Both men started their professional careers at a 147 lbs; Where it took Floyd Mayweather more than 9 years to grow into. Also, unlike Chico Corrales both Leonard and Hearns had a stick and could box off the back foot and from the outside.

        Moreover, they had at least a three weight division head start on Floyd Mayweather, Jr too. Look, I love Mayweather as much as anyone else also but in a hypothetical; I just don't see him beating any of the classic four outside of Roberto Duran because of their size differentials, height and reach advantages.

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        • RL_GMA
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          #34
          Floyd could COMPETE with Leonard, Hearns, and Duran with Duran being the guy IMO he'd have the best chance to beat.

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            #35
            Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer
            Hearns fought in like 5 divisions, he is 5 division champ and welterweight was his lowest division. So I suppose we are talking about Hearn -Mayweather at 147 or 154. Hearns fought Hagler at 160. No way 147 -154 Floyd has the power Hagler had, lol.

            As I said, floyd would stand some chance against duran, because Duran was the smallest of 4 kings.
            Originally posted by RL_GMA
            Floyd could COMPETE with Leonard, Hearns, and Duran with Duran being the guy IMO he'd have the best chance to beat.
            First of all, we're talking about regardless of weight, skill-to-skill.

            People are forgetting:

            Canelo was naturally bigger
            De La Hoya was naturally bigger
            Castillo was naturally bigger
            Corrales was bigger
            Chicanito was bigger
            Chop Chop was naturally bigger
            N'Dou was naturally bigger
            McGregor was WAY bigger (and yes, he counts)


            Hell, Floyd arguably performed BETTER against bigger guys. One need only look at De La Hoya who was forced to fight down to Floyd's level. It was bare even up through the 6th, then Floyd washed him.

            Because the thing is, the ONLY way Floyd was ever remotely in any trouble was due to a high work rate (Maidana I, Castillo I, Jesus Chavez, Phillip N'Dou, Emmanuel Burton). Of the Kings, only Hearns had a high work rate early on, but he had no gas tank to keep it up.

            Tommy Hearns at 147 was only precise against brawlers. He was nowhere near as precise against pure boxers. He clipped Leonard only because Leonard gassed, yet couldn't finish him. He clipped Hagler but couldn't finish. The same crap would happen with Floyd.

            Marvin Hagler is one of the best to lace them up - BUT, he tended to make mistakes in the early rounds that got him caught. Every damn fight. The only opponent I can recall where that didn't happen - somehow - was John 'The Beast' Mugabi. But Mugabi was as 'eye test' as they come and wasn't accurate. Anyone who was accurate, clipped Hagler easily and anyone with a high enough work rate made him uncomfortable. Remember, he lost to Bobby MF'n Watts who was nowhere in his class. The version of Mayweather that walked down Carnelo beats Hagler.

            Duran...it'd be like fighting Manny. Nothing else needs to be said. Except that Floyd would have made him quit twice and not lost one like Sugar did.

            Leonard/Mayweather is a 50/50 fight BECAUSE neither guy would engage.

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            • JakeTheBoxer
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              #36
              LOL at this talking Mayweather would have any chance against Hagler. Mayweather never fought a real middleweight and some of you think he would beat arguably the best middleweight ever.

              Castillo, Corrales ??? In debate about 4 kings? Just no, please.

              Just stop hyping your guy.

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              • QueensburyRules
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                #37
                - -They didn't have TUEs with their own venue, commish, judges, ref, and drug tester in 4 King era.

                U sissies wake up in U flying Barney pajamas this am?

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by *TonyMontana*
                  Dunno about hearns though

                  I could never pick between floyd and Leonard that's my dream fight

                  He out points hagler and Duran
                  I think Tommy is all wrong for him. Unless Floyd could really hurt Tommy I don't see Floyd beating him. Tommy's reach advantage, power, speed, and ring smarts would be too much for Floyd. Not saying he's superior to Floyd in each of those departments but the combination of them would seal the deal for Tommy. I think Tommy knocks him out.

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                  • ippo
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                    #39
                    Leonard, Hearns and Hagler beats him, Duran gives him a good fight but thats his only winnable fight for me. Tommy beats him 100% that long jab and straight right beats him.The Jab always gave mayweather problems.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by garfios
                      Not Duran at 135
                      Why DeJesus did and Floyd is better than him, can be done.

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