Dempsey, Benny Leonard, Johnson etc would get destroyed today!!

**Heavyhands420** · 07-07-2020, 06:55 PM

Not sure about leonard as i havent seen much footage but im with you. The heavyweights today are way too big for dempsey and johnson but to be fair im pretty sure dempsey fought as a heavyweight weighing like 190 or some ****

**kidbazooka** · 07-07-2020, 07:02 PM

Leonard too bro there’s footage out there and to be honest he wouldn’t even be a contender today but that’s how it goes it’s evolution.

**aboutfkntime** · 07-07-2020, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by kidbazooka

This is in response to thebjack Johnson thread yes they Would all get smashed in the modern era.

Sorry but the guys wouldnt even be top 20 today.

that is pretty ignorant man

usually only silly pacstains say dumb shlt like that

Dempsey/Johnson would be LHW/cruisers

and Leonard was a 15-round killer, most of the young fighters today seem to gas after 6 rounds... if Leonard trained in this era, he would be just as good today

**Blue54** · 07-08-2020, 01:27 AM

I think if they were legit brought back from the dead and given time to adapt and train to modern era they would all be killers. Especially Dempsey and Leonard but if you were to put them in the ring now straight off their best nights they all lose.

Their great in their own rights and all help pioneer the sport but boxing has evolved so much since. It’s only natural almost all of fighters from 30s to 60s era lose today.

**Roadblock** · 07-08-2020, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by Blue54

I think if they were legit brought back from the dead and given time to adapt and train to modern era they would all be killers. Especially Dempsey and Leonard but if you were to put them in the ring now straight off their best nights they all lose.

Their great in their own rights and all help pioneer the sport but boxing has evolved so much since. It�s only natural almost all of fighters from 30s to 60s era lose today.

You mean not just condition them to todays standards but also change their style so we have somebody completely different to what we see from the footage, somehow I think they wouldnt get past the Olympic trials.

They did not have the technical ability to compete today they were tough hard men in a game where being the toughest could get you far, the modern styles didnt really start to evolve and gain momentum until after after Ray Robinson, it started to get real technical after him and that has become a science today.

Its like some of the old great racehorses, their times over the distance could not cut it today. What I see in the old fighters is the same gap in technique as the clock to a racehorse.

**kidbazooka** · 07-08-2020, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by aboutfkntime

that is pretty ignorant man

usually only silly pacstains say dumb shlt like that

Dempsey/Johnson would be LHW/cruisers

and Leonard was a 15-round killer, most of the young fighters today seem to gas after 6 rounds... if Leonard trained in this era, he would be just as good today

Lol

No!!!

**Citizen Koba** · 07-08-2020, 03:29 AM

Direct comparisons like that just don't make any sense in my book. Weighing conventions have changed, fight durations have chganged, judging standards have changed, safety equipment has changed, fight durations have changed, fight frequencies have changed, acceptable tactics have changed.

In general it only makes sense to compare guys from the same era but in the absence of proof to the contrary I'm happy to assume that two elites from different eras who came to the ring at the same weight would be generally competitive with one another given a rules set that struck a balance between that of the two respective eras.

**aboutfkntime** · 07-08-2020, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Roadblock

You mean not just condition them to todays standards but also change their style so we have somebody completely different to what we see from the footage, somehow I think they wouldnt get past the Olympic trials.

They did not have the technical ability to compete today they were tough hard men in a game where being the toughest could get you far, the modern styles didnt really start to evolve and gain momentum until after after Ray Robinson, it started to get real technical after him and that has become a science today.

Its like some of the old great racehorses, their times over the distance could not cut it today. What I see in the old fighters is the same gap in technique as the clock to a racehorse.

two current (get this...) MMA fighters (not boxing) modeled their style/footwork on Willie Pep... who is the original Lomachenko

there is a better argument that boxing has regressed because the sport is inundated with 'mitt-men' and sorely lacking in old-school trainers/mentors... back in the day, everyone could fight off the back foot, and everyone could fight on the inside... now we have champions who cannot

the point is, if they fought in todays era, the skills/intangibles that made them great would not suddenly disappear, they would develop

**Larry the boss** · 07-08-2020, 08:16 PM

different eras, how is that hard to understand?

Dempsey, Benny Leonard, Johnson etc would get destroyed today!!