Comments Thread For: Dillian Whyte Takes Legal Action Against The WBC

[REDEEMER]

No. At the time of suspension, Whyte was already mando with shot no later than May 2020 (exactly 12 month since last defence against Brazil in May 2019). Remember? But then they suspended him (based on a news article), gave mando to Fury and gave (after BBBoC finally speaks about Whyte case and exonerates him)Whyte new date - Feb.2021.

I just don't remember if Whyte got mando (due by May 2020) by beating Rivas, or he got it before and only interim by beating Rivas.

That’s not true at all, Whyte had not fought a final elimination bout prior to Rivas that was in June, he was not reinstated as a Mandatory until December which makes him waiting 7 months from then until now as the link will prove .

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/50749127

Rivas was the spot for facing Wilder which would not be until at least sometime in 2021 , February ? This means the the WBC informed everyone last year what was going on so we can circle around the same details and Whyte wanting whatever but he’s not going to win anything in a legal battle .

[KnickTillDeaTh]

My post is obviously opinion but is also based on fact. You open your post with 'once they order a mandatory defense,' but how do they get to that stage? What process do they adhere to? The answer is whatever suits them the best, it's written into their rules.

Your example of Canelo is quite ironic. He was mandated to fight GGG because at the time that was the biggest fight in boxing. The WBC would have made a lot more in commissions than usual. Canelo could have retained his belt by defeating GGG but he decided he wasn't ready which substantiates my claim that not even Canelo can dictate terms to the WBC.

In my humble opinion only the IBF do a reasonably strict/professional job regarding mando's and the WBC have definitely overtaken the WBA for being the most unscrupulous governing body.

Canelo didnt fight GGG because GGG refused to fight Canelo at a catch weight for the title. So Canelo dropped the belt, had nothing to do with him not being ready. As I said, WBC would have made more money if Canelo would have retained the belt because the bigger the fight the bigger the fee, every Canelo fight is a big fight. If the WBC was corrupt, they would have created a situation where Canelo kept the belt.

The WBC has clear rules as to how a mandatory challenger is chosen or a fighter becomes a mando. They have clear rules on when a mandatory is enforced. I have the entire rule book for all of the sanctioning bodies, and news flash, the rules are almost exactly the same for everyone, including the IBF. The reason why the rules are all the same, because it is required by law. The WBC rules were approved by congress, this is what you dont get. The WBC is not controlled by Sulaiman, all decisions are voted on by a governing board.

Your continued assertion that no one can dictate to the WBC is blatantly false as I already told you, the WBC has been sued before and lost. The courts have forced the WBC to not only pay a fighter, but mandated that the WBC give said fighter an immediate chance at the title. That my friend is called being dictated to. Your opinion is not based on facts, because the facts do not support your opinion.

[Ant1979]

Canelo didnt fight GGG because GGG refused to fight Canelo at a catch weight for the title. So Canelo dropped the belt, had nothing to do with him not being ready. As I said, WBC would have made more money if Canelo would have retained the belt because the bigger the fight the bigger the fee, every Canelo fight is a big fight. If the WBC was corrupt, they would have created a situation where Canelo kept the belt.

The WBC has clear rules as to how a mandatory challenger is chosen or a fighter becomes a mando. They have clear rules on when a mandatory is enforced. I have the entire rule book for all of the sanctioning bodies, and news flash, the rules are almost exactly the same for everyone, including the IBF. The reason why the rules are all the same, because it is required by law. The WBC rules were approved by congress, this is what you dont get. The WBC is not controlled by Sulaiman, all decisions are voted on by a governing board.

Your continued assertion that no one can dictate to the WBC is blatantly false as I already told you, the WBC has been sued before and lost. The courts have forced the WBC to not only pay a fighter, but mandated that the WBC give said fighter an immediate chance at the title. That my friend is called being dictated to. Your opinion is not based on facts, because the facts do not support your opinion.

It was pretty clear Canelo wasn't ready to fight GGG at that time, hence the insistence on the catchweight. Catchweights have no place in World Title fights as the title itself stipulates the terms of the weight. Though appearing to be a 'leveller' anyone who understands boxing knows that their application is specifically designed to weaken an opponent. If Canelo was truly ready, why would he insist on creating and applying such an unnecessary rule in order to severely handicap his opponent? It also showed a complete lack of sporting integrity towards GGG and the 160lb title.

Regarding the financial side of things I'm confident Sulaiman believed Canelo would keep the belt. History shows that he's benefitted from the cards a number of times. Even when he lost every minute of every round to Mayweather, CJ Lewis still deemed fit to score it as a draw. That's the worst scorecard I've seen in 30 years of following boxing.

Ironically he did get that very fortunate score card in their first bout which would have ensured he would have kept the WBC belt had he not chosen to throw a tantrum and dump it.

Was anyone really surprised? About as surprised as the score draw for the WBC HW title with Wilder and Fury. This could well have been the 'situation' you were querying created for Canelo to keep the belt.

There's a tonne of wriggle room written into their rules regarding mandatory selections. Hence the farce that the organisation finds itself in now with Whyte taking legal action. And for the record when I wrote the WBC will not be dictated to by any one individual it was obviously in the context of fighters and promoters (gave several examples). At no point did I write they are above the law. But it does prove my point though, otherwise the WBC would have settled matters out of court.

I do admire your zeal in defending the WBC. To assert the WBC aren't corrupt is naive at best. Come on, if they were a stickler for their own extremely flexible rules then why would they find themselves in court in the first place? Perhaps more importantly why would they have lost too? Maybe you can represent them next time around

To say the WBC isn't corrupt is to suggest they've never shafted fighters in order to provide significant and prolonged preferential treatment for others while profiting in the process. This is simply not true, their history is littered with such stories.

These are the facts that have formed my opinions, let me know if you want an example of the above and I'll clearly explain it to you.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

It was pretty clear Canelo wasn't ready to fight GGG at that time, hence the insistence on the catchweight. Catchweights have no place in World Title fights as the title itself stipulates the terms of the weight. Though appearing to be a 'leveller' anyone who understands boxing knows that their application is specifically designed to weaken an opponent. If Canelo was truly ready, why would he insist on creating and applying such an unnecessary rule in order to severely handicap his opponent? It also showed a complete lack of sporting integrity towards GGG and the 160lb title.

Regarding the financial side of things I'm confident Sulaiman believed Canelo would keep the belt. History shows that he's benefitted from the cards a number of times. Even when he lost every minute of every round to Mayweather, CJ Lewis still deemed fit to score it as a draw. That's the worst scorecard I've seen in 30 years of following boxing.

Ironically he did get that very fortunate score card in their first bout which would have ensured he would have kept the WBC belt had he not chosen to throw a tantrum and dump it.

Was anyone really surprised? About as surprised as the score draw for the WBC HW title with Wilder and Fury. This could well have been the 'situation' you were querying created for Canelo to keep the belt.

There's a tonne of wriggle room written into their rules regarding mandatory selections. Hence the farce that the organisation finds itself in now with Whyte taking legal action. And for the record when I wrote the WBC will not be dictated to by any one individual it was obviously in the context of fighters and promoters (gave several examples). At no point did I write they are above the law. But it does prove my point though, otherwise the WBC would have settled matters out of court.

I do admire your zeal in defending the WBC. To assert the WBC aren't corrupt is naive at best. Come on, if they were a stickler for their own extremely flexible rules then why would they find themselves in court in the first place? Perhaps more importantly why would they have lost too? Maybe you can represent them next time around

To say the WBC isn't corrupt is to suggest they've never shafted fighters in order to provide significant and prolonged preferential treatment for others while profiting in the process. This is simply not true, their history is littered with such stories.

These are the facts that have formed my opinions, let me know if you want an example of the above and I'll clearly explain it to you.

So every catchweight Canelo fought on was because he wasnt ready? You're a bit ridiculous and everything you just typed is pure speculation and opinion. I gave you facts, you gave opinion. The WBC is not being defended, what I am doing is giving you facts. But, please continue on with the willful ignorance. If you refuse to learn the facts or except them, then you have revealed your bias. It's funny to be accused of zeal in defending the WBC when I said that they have been sued and lost, which is clear acknowledgement that they have done incorrect things before. lol, sometimes I wonder why I even try.

[Ant1979]

So every catchweight Canelo fought on was because he wasnt ready? You're a bit ridiculous and everything you just typed is pure speculation and opinion. I gave you facts, you gave opinion. The WBC is not being defended, what I am doing is giving you facts. But, please continue on with the willful ignorance. If you refuse to learn the facts or except them, then you have revealed your bias. It's funny to be accused of zeal in defending the WBC when I said that they have been sued and lost, which is clear acknowledgement that they have done incorrect things before. lol, sometimes I wonder why I even try.

Come on now, that's not what I wrote. But the fact remains, if he was ready to fight GGG at 160lb, like he later did of course then why didn't he? After all it was a 160lb title he would have been defending.

Again the evidence points towards him not feeling ready. What evidence I hear you ask? The fact he significantly jumped up in weight to fight Chavez Jnr to help acclimatise his body to a heavier fighting weight before committing to a bout at 160lb. That's not 'speculation,' 'opinion,' or 'ridiculous' - it actually happened as a matter of fact.

Interestingly years ago when Chavez Jnr's career was on the rise he also benefited from some extremely preferential treatment from the WBC at the cost of Martinez, who was properly shafted as the WBC 160lb champion at the time. I've not got time to go into all the details and back story but look it up - I'm not lying.

None of the above is 'pure speculation' and pointing out events that have happened in time is by no means 'ridiculous.' Open your mind, have a read of Eddie Hearns recent comments on this forum regarding Whyte and Lomachenko. These aren't opinions, they are facts - they are events that have happened, just like CJ Lewis's scorecard.

Finally losing in court isn't acknowledgement of anything, you're completely missing the point. The whole concept of going to court in the first place is the strong belief that they are right in their actions and therefore have done nothing wrong. A judges decision against the WBC by no means changes this belief, just changes the outcome of proceedings. And you wonder why you bother?

Open your mind friend and look into these things.

[Shadoww702]

Come on now, that's not what I wrote. But the fact remains, if he was ready to fight GGG at 160lb, like he later did of course then why didn't he? After all it was a 160lb title he would have been defending.

Again the evidence points towards him not feeling ready. What evidence I hear you ask? The fact he significantly jumped up in weight to fight Chavez Jnr to help acclimatise his body to a heavier fighting weight before committing to a bout at 160lb. That's not 'speculation,' 'opinion,' or 'ridiculous' - it actually happened as a matter of fact.

Interestingly years ago when Chavez Jnr's career was on the rise he also benefited from some extremely preferential treatment from the WBC at the cost of Martinez, who was properly shafted as the WBC 160lb champion at the time. I've not got time to go into all the details and back story but look it up - I'm not lying.

None of the above is 'pure speculation' and pointing out events that have happened in time is by no means 'ridiculous.' Open your mind, have a read of Eddie Hearns recent comments on this forum regarding Whyte and Lomachenko. These aren't opinions, they are facts - they are events that have happened, just like CJ Lewis's scorecard.

Finally losing in court isn't acknowledgement of anything, you're completely missing the point. The whole concept of going to court in the first place is the strong belief that they are right in their actions and therefore have done nothing wrong. A judges decision against the WBC by no means changes this belief, just changes the outcome of proceedings. And you wonder why you bother?

Open your mind friend and look into these things.

I can't stand when ppl DEMAND boxers to move up in weight or down when THEY ****** fan wants to.

This dumb *** rants on Canelo but FORGETS about ggg

"ANYONE from 154-168"

Steve Roll Catchweight.

Andre Ward but only at 164.

Fight MexiCAN style Canelo and I'll knock you out!!!

Ran out of the ring CRYING like a poor sport when lost.

[Shadoww702]

So every catchweight Canelo fought on was because he wasnt ready? You're a bit ridiculous and everything you just typed is pure speculation and opinion. I gave you facts, you gave opinion. The WBC is not being defended, what I am doing is giving you facts. But, please continue on with the willful ignorance. If you refuse to learn the facts or except them, then you have revealed your bias. It's funny to be accused of zeal in defending the WBC when I said that they have been sued and lost, which is clear acknowledgement that they have done incorrect things before. lol, sometimes I wonder why I even try.

Yeah he completely ignored the facts and inserted his own version.

[Shadoww702]

Fury is a fraud, just like Wilder was. They both are scared of possibly losing to Whyte and that's the only reason why Fury would have no problem fighting Schwarz and Wallin but not fight Whyte. Ir he is so beatable, then fight him and beat him. I actually think that Wilder has a better shot at beating Fury now that Fury is looking past him. And I think Wilder is crap.

I will drop $5K both Fury and Wilder would beat this shty overhyped euro.

Dude looked like dog sht against a guy ranked like 100??? And so fat him and Ruiz broke the ring.

[Ant1979]

I can't stand when ppl DEMAND boxers to move up in weight or down when THEY ****** fan wants to.

This dumb *** rants on Canelo but FORGETS about ggg

"ANYONE from 154-168"

Steve Roll Catchweight.

Andre Ward but only at 164.

Fight MexiCAN style Canelo and I'll knock you out!!!

Ran out of the ring CRYING like a poor sport when lost.

Are you on glue?

[Shadoww702]

Are you on glue?

Are u ******ed?

Canelo ggg were signed to fight even before Canelo fought Chavez.

Did GGG NOT say "Anyone from 154-168" he beats and come get it???

Funny how he fought Rolls at 164. The same weight he wanted Ward years before.

I'm gonna be like you. GGG should if moved up to fight Ward. Give him 1-2 fights.

*** weight classes. I'm a fan like Ant1979 and demand boxers move up 1-2 weight classes when I feel they are ready and go right at the Champ. No tuneup