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  • KnickTillDeaTh
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    #101
    Originally posted by Ant1979
    It quite clearly states in the WBC rules that they can collectively enforce a mandatory fight whenever they deem fit. This by definition makes them a law unto themselves.

    Whyte, Hearn and even Canelo are not going to dictate terms to Sulaiman. He has lots of wriggle room and is extremely well versed in doing what's best for the WBC.
    Once they order a mandatory defense, the boxer who is in the mandatory position has to get the bout. If the WBC tries to change it after they have already ordered the mandatory, they will be sued and they will lose as has happened before. They actually follow the rules pretty tight, to use your own example against you, Canelo dropped the WBC belt after defeating Cotto because he refused to fight the mandatory. Cotto was also stripped by the WBC prior to the fight because he refused to pay a step aside fee, If the WBC did whatever they want, they would prefer cash cows like Cotto and Canelo retain their belt. The WBC rules are allowed because they are with in the guidelines which were provided by Congress. So as i said, yours is more opinion than fact.

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    • Tyistall
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      #102
      Fury is a fraud, just like Wilder was. They both are scared of possibly losing to Whyte and that's the only reason why Fury would have no problem fighting Schwarz and Wallin but not fight Whyte. Ir he is so beatable, then fight him and beat him. I actually think that Wilder has a better shot at beating Fury now that Fury is looking past him. And I think Wilder is crap.

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      • Ant1979
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        #103
        Originally posted by KnickTillDeaTh
        Once they order a mandatory defense, the boxer who is in the mandatory position has to get the bout. If the WBC tries to change it after they have already ordered the mandatory, they will be sued and they will lose as has happened before. They actually follow the rules pretty tight, to use your own example against you, Canelo dropped the WBC belt after defeating Cotto because he refused to fight the mandatory. Cotto was also stripped by the WBC prior to the fight because he refused to pay a step aside fee, If the WBC did whatever they want, they would prefer cash cows like Cotto and Canelo retain their belt. The WBC rules are allowed because they are with in the guidelines which were provided by Congress. So as i said, yours is more opinion than fact.
        My post is obviously opinion but is also based on fact. You open your post with 'once they order a mandatory defense,' but how do they get to that stage? What process do they adhere to? The answer is whatever suits them the best, it's written into their rules.

        Your example of Canelo is quite ironic. He was mandated to fight GGG because at the time that was the biggest fight in boxing. The WBC would have made a lot more in commissions than usual. Canelo could have retained his belt by defeating GGG but he decided he wasn't ready which substantiates my claim that not even Canelo can dictate terms to the WBC.

        In my humble opinion only the IBF do a reasonably strict/professional job regarding mando's and the WBC have definitely overtaken the WBA for being the most unscrupulous governing body.

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        • REDEEMER
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          #104
          Originally posted by James Hunt
          He wants that WBC belt and he was also paying sanctioning fees to WBC, so why wouldn't he deserve a shot at WBC belt.
          Whyte's chances to fight for other belts have nothing to do with WBC's obligations towards Whyte. If WBC didn't say no when he was paying those fees to them, they also shouldn't say no when his mando term is due, it actually was few years back. Is it so hard to understand?
          Whyte mando wasn’t due a few years back, Rivas was his final elimination bout,which was last July . It’s not the WBC fault that Fury came in the picture and signed contracts before Whyte gained his mando position. Whyte taking them in legal action is a waste of time and money he could have had fighting A.J last year .

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          • James Hunt
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            #105
            Originally posted by REDEEMER
            Whyte mando wasn’t due a few years back, Rivas was his final elimination bout,which was last July . It’s not the WBC fault that Fury came in the picture and signed contracts before Whyte gained his mando position. Whyte taking them in legal action is a waste of time and money he could have had fighting A.J last year .
            Whyte's chances to fight for other belts have nothing to do with WBC's obligations towards Whyte. I already wrote this.
            Whyte's mando was given to Fury bc WBC suspended Whyte based on a news article, written by T. Hauser, which was not right. They received nothing from UKAD or BBBoC that could give them a basis to act. News articles can't be a basis for formal actions.
            Let's see what the court will decide.

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              #106
              Originally posted by James Hunt
              Whyte's chances to fight for other belts have nothing to do with WBC's obligations towards Whyte. I already wrote this.
              Whyte's mando was given to Fury bc WBC suspended Whyte based on a news article, written by T. Hauser, which was not right. They received nothing from UKAD or BBBoC that could give them a basis to act. News articles can't be a basis for formal actions.
              Let's see what the court will decide.
              I wasn’t talking about anything but the WBC. There own rules state they can put a mandatory in rematches that’s why Fury got that . They had no obligation to Whyte at any time Fury signed to fight Wilder at that time Whyte had just won the Silver belt which required a final elimination bout holding that belt and we know he had that last year so at no time could he have fought Wilder except when he offered him 4 million or so but Wilder was not committed to fight him so he fought Ortiz again but that has nothing to do with a WBC ruling in 2018 .

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              • James Hunt
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                #107
                Originally posted by REDEEMER
                I wasn’t talking about anything but the WBC. There own rules state they can put a mandatory in rematches that’s why Fury got that . They had no obligation to Whyte at any time Fury signed to fight Wilder at that time Whyte had just won the Silver belt which required a final elimination bout holding that belt and we know he had that last year so at no time could he have fought Wilder except when he offered him 4 million or so but Wilder was not committed to fight him so he fought Ortiz again but that has nothing to do with a WBC ruling in 2018 .
                No. At the time of suspension, Whyte was already mando with shot no later than May 2020 (exactly 12 month since last defence against Brazil in May 2019). Remember? But then they suspended him (based on a news article), gave mando to Fury and gave (after BBBoC finally speaks about Whyte case and exonerates him)Whyte new date - Feb.2021.

                I just don't remember if Whyte got mando (due by May 2020) by beating Rivas, or he got it before and only interim by beating Rivas.

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                • Ray*
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                  #108
                  Originally posted by James Hunt
                  No. At the time of suspension, Whyte was already mando with shot no later than May 2020 (exactly 12 month since last defence against Brazil in May 2019). Remember? But then they suspended him (based on a news article), gave mando to Fury and gave (after BBBoC finally speaks about Whyte case and exonerates him)Whyte new date - Feb.2021.

                  I just don't remember if Whyte got mando (due by May 2020) by beating Rivas, or he got it before and only interim by beating Rivas.
                  Whyte mandatory was due July 2020. The WBC didn't follow their own rules because they were trying to help Wilder, they must have has prior knowledge of the contract that Wilder/Fury sign for a TWO way rematch.

                  At that time we were all speculating and both teams kept their mouths shut for a few months, not wanting to let anyone know if both fighters have a TWO way rematch.

                  Question is what and why would the WBC get themselves involved in a contract that has nothing to do with them? They didn't need to sanction Fury as a mandatory, just like they didn't need to accommodate Fury/Wilder 3.

                  All the WBC needed to do was enforce their own mandatory. But they wanted to keep those guys schedule free inspite owning Whyte his shot, the WBC basically assisted Wilder to get a 3rd fight with Fury when they know they have a mandatory who has already been shafted (Breazeale).

                  So phuck the WBC, this law suit is to keep them on the straight and narrow, they have no more wiggle room. Unless the use Poevtkin stopping Whyte as their escape route.

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                  • Zelda
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                    #109
                    Where exactly is the case filed? in Mexico?

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                    • Ritz Kola
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                      #110
                      Bum whyte wasn't the mandatory until last year when he narrowly beat Rivas, then it was revealed he failed a PEDs test. He then adamantly refused to provide a B sample and went silent for months. WBC did what any respectable organization would. do and stripped him: rightfully.
                      Bum whyte for some odd reason had THREE different belts under the same banner as him, THREE different ways to get a title shot and he ignored them in favor of being Eddie's proudly whipped guard dog: to chase Wilder for some reason.
                      Bum whyte had no less than 4 opportunities to get that shot with Wilder and he messed all of them up. Two most common ways to get a title shot: mandatory or voluntary defense.
                      Bum whyte didn't fight any mandatories when ordered until Rivas.
                      Bum whyte didn't go through any routes to receive a voluntary shot: and he was given multiple opportunities here.
                      He'll be laughed out the courtroom.

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