Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Mayweather-Pacquiao, Loma-Stevenson, More

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

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I am not going to shoot down your compelling points.
I see the case you are making.

My thing is, most people put a lot of emphasis on belts. Manny fans typically celebrate the guy as the only 8 division title holder. I think even you’d agree that a couple of those belts were solely to pad up his record (135, 140 and 154 were all formalities towards that dubious distinction).

While I agree that Floyd should have tried harder to make certain fights (Cotto and Margarito in 2008 or PAC in 2010), but I also understand the issue he had working with Bob Arum. A lot of big name fighters left Arum and Manny himself tried to sign with Oscar. I can live with the certainty that had those fights happened, Floyd would still have won.

I can’t say the same about PAC. The guy struggled with Marquez before finally getting sparked out. He struggles against pure boxes and Roach is on record about that.
You are right about Margarito, there is nothing special about him at all. Hence my chuckle when PAC fans brag about that Catchweight induced dubious win

u obviously follow the sport as closely as I do and I respect ur insight and agree with ur above post...cant really find much to disagree with 👍

[Truth Serum]

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Roy Jones could have stayed at 154 but went to 168 and fought the undefeated and top guy.
He could have stayed there but went to 175 and cleaned the division. He then went up to HW and won a title. He was 36 when he got clipped by Tarver.

But that aside, let’s go to your Pinot idol at 147.

He fought Brandon Rios, Broner, Mathysse, Vargas, Horn, Algieri, Clottey and Mosley (last two had literally lost their last fights).
These are the guys you are measuring the “greatness” of PAcman? Really?

Roy Jones Jr tested positive for PEDs... Why do these fanboys keep giving these cheaters props? Floyd, Canelo, etc...smh.

[Oregonian]

Roy Jones Jr tested positive for PEDs... Why do these fanboys keep giving these cheaters props? Floyd, Canelo, etc...smh.

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Manny had Ariza in his camp for years. Refused to do random drug testing saying he’s afraid of needles despite having 10 tattoos.
Had Manny been tested, he would have tested positive. Just saying

As for Roy, He admitted he had been taking an over-the-counter product called Ripped Fuel. That’s not illegal but it is an anabolic steroid according to the IBF and other other sanctioning bodies. Just saying.

[Truth Serum]

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Manny had Ariza in his camp for years. Refused to do random drug testing saying he’s afraid of needles despite having 10 tattoos.
Had Manny been tested, he would have tested positive. Just saying

As for Roy, He admitted he had been taking an over-the-counter product called Ripped Fuel. That’s not illegal but it is an anabolic steroid according to the IBF and other other sanctioning bodies. Just saying.

Never had a boxer in modern times NOT been PED tested before and after a fight. Just saying.

Roy Jones Jr admitted to taking an anabolic steroid in the form of Rip Fuel and was shown in a failed PED test. Just saying.

[Larry the boss]

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So what you’re doing is getting hang-up on how you define a loss.
Here’s the difference between the two guys:
Ortiz had beaten the undefeated Berto for the WBC belt which made him the man.

Guerrero built himself up to WW (he wasn’t coming off losses like Rios or Mosley or Margarito, his lone defeat at the time was8 years prior).

Mosley had destroyed the myth that was Margarito and took the WBC belt from him. He was supposedly the guy that could beat Floyd.

Maidana was a belt holder and worked his way to hold a belt at WW. His durability was obvious in how he handled Floyd.

Berto is a fight no one can defend. Floyd should have and could have fought someone else. He could have fought Horn & beat him up just to spite PAC.

Lastly, there was no shame Mosley losing to Forrest. He rebounded from those losses to become the man who destroyed Margarito

why would Floyd had fought Horn in 2015?? that would be worse then Berto

Mosley had the WBA not the WBC and was p4p #3

[Larry the boss]

Roy Jones Jr tested positive for PEDs... Why do these fanboys keep giving these cheaters props? Floyd, Canelo, etc...smh.

What test did Floyd fail?

[Larry the boss]

How can you want Floyd s career when his career is ridiculed and remembered for what he didn't do. He's remembered for beating common opponents less dominantly. Not fighting abroad, not giving rematches to biggest rivals, remembered for leaving questions unanswered.

Remembered for being overly cautious and every 9 out of 10 fights not giving any advantages away, cws with green nelo, pillows on maidana, I mean maidana wasn't actually elite or top draw but pillows were needed just because he punched harder? Lucas matyse punched hard also did Pac ask for pillows for lucas? I mean maidana don't hit as hard as SRL but hasn't half the boxing ability also.

Floyds a glorified sven ottke.
If you'd want an.unbeaten.record of course you'd want Floyd s career. You'd probably want marcianos, and Calzaghe also as well as ottke.
If you want to be a higher ATG you'd obviously prefer Pac s career

So Manny lost to a glorified Sven Ottke, a school teacher, and a 40 year old?? but somehow he is a higher ATG?

[daggum]

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Canelo cane up with the catchweight offer and Maidana team came up with those gloves that Floyd rejected.

However, since you claim Floyd will be remembered for giving advantages in 9 out of 10 fights. Let’s do the math
Floyd has 50 fights.

I can show you proof of the Canelo and Maidana allegetions that you are making but I know it’s a waste of time.
Can you name the other 40 fights that Floyd took advantage on other fighters??
Surely it cannot be just the two fights that you are basing your frivolous allegations ?

floyd fanboy alert! full defense mode!

[daggum]

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I am not going to shoot down your compelling points.
I see the case you are making.

My thing is, most people put a lot of emphasis on belts. Manny fans typically celebrate the guy as the only 8 division title holder. I think even you’d agree that a couple of those belts were solely to pad up his record (135, 140 and 154 were all formalities towards that dubious distinction).

While I agree that Floyd should have tried harder to make certain fights (Cotto and Margarito in 2008 or PAC in 2010), but I also understand the issue he had working with Bob Arum. A lot of big name fighters left Arum and Manny himself tried to sign with Oscar. I can live with the certainty that had those fights happened, Floyd would still have won.

I can’t say the same about PAC. The guy struggled with Marquez before finally getting sparked out. He struggles against pure boxes and Roach is on record about that.
You are right about Margarito, there is nothing special about him at all. Hence my chuckle when PAC fans brag about that Catchweight induced dubious win

every floyd fanboy has to downplay margarito because floyd ducked him.

"Arum and Diaz say that the 'Pretty Boy' was offered in the neighborhood of $7 million to face Margarito. In what could best be described as a 'business move', the same guy who brazenly challenged the bigger Winky Wright decided to bypass Margarito, to collect nearly $4 million to spar with Sharmba Mitchell.

"Flat turned him down like you can not believe," Arum said of Mayweather when he was offered a chance at the WBO title.
"Any time we raised his name, Mayweather went crazy."

its ok. you've got that certainty with you. too bad floyd wasnt so certain. oh well

[daggum]

What test did Floyd fail?

what body did he flush out so no test would come up positive??? hmmm...was it yours? mine? his? oh dehydrated yeah yeah cept no he took 10 times more than recomended for severe dehydration. so whats going on here? usada who floyd paid gave him a tue for that reason that makes no sense. keep living a lie