Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Mayweather-Pacquiao, Loma-Stevenson, More

[Oregonian]

ur initial post about all the above PAC opponents coming off losses was inaccurate- was all I was pointing out.

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No it was not. I chose to not mention the guys Mathysse fought not Roberto Garcia or Moraa or the Broner draw against a guy PAC had already beaten and had zero business fighting (a cherry pick).

But let’s assume I am biased as you claim, can you just humor me and respond to my question regarding Floyd fighting those guys under the context Manny fought them?

You might say you aren’t a Manny fan, but you defended his opponents so pls humor me

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

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No it was not. I chose to not mention the guys Mathysse fought not Roberto Garcia or Moraa or the Broner draw against a guy PAC had already beaten and had zero business fighting (a cherry pick).

But let’s assume I am biased as you claim, can you just humor me and respond to my question regarding Floyd fighting those guys under the context Manny fought them?

You might say you aren’t a Manny fan, but you defended his opponents so pls humor me

didnt defend anything - just pointed out ur false info Bro!!

[Oregonian]

didnt defend anything - just pointed out ur false info Bro!!

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And I said I know I left those fights out because they were all irrelevant and against nondescript guys.
Since you are pointing out my false info, thank you.
Now, once again, humor regarding those opponents, would you call them quality opponents for a guy that’s considered an ATG?

[Dasmius Shinobi]

Stephen Edwards is my Sensei for all Saturday's.

This time this thread is about Paquiao and Mayweather old same argument. Stop with this fucking relic topic and move on already. And what the fuck is the deal with one member mention 80-300 punches in favor of Paquiao, really? I am a Pactard and still favor Floyd victory in that fight. Don't torture yourself with something that is never going to change.

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

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And I said I know I left those fights out because they were all irrelevant and against nondescript guys.
Since you are pointing out my false info, thank you.
Now, once again, humor regarding those opponents, would you call them quality opponents for a guy that’s considered an ATG?

for an ATG - they fall in the same category as Floyd’s over-hyped opponents Ortiz, Guerrero, Berto, Mosley - who Forrest had already whipped twice, and 3 loss Maidana - who both Khan,Alexander , and some Russian had all already outboxed.

[Oregonian]

for an ATG - they fall in the same category as Floyd’s over-hyped opponents Ortiz, Guerrero, Berto, Mosley - who Forrest had already whipped twice, and 3 loss Maidana - who both Khan,Alexander , and some Russian had all already outboxed.

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So what you’re doing is getting hang-up on how you define a loss.
Here’s the difference between the two guys:
Ortiz had beaten the undefeated Berto for the WBC belt which made him the man.

Guerrero built himself up to WW (he wasn’t coming off losses like Rios or Mosley or Margarito, his lone defeat at the time was8 years prior).

Mosley had destroyed the myth that was Margarito and took the WBC belt from him. He was supposedly the guy that could beat Floyd.

Maidana was a belt holder and worked his way to hold a belt at WW. His durability was obvious in how he handled Floyd.

Berto is a fight no one can defend. Floyd should have and could have fought someone else. He could have fought Horn & beat him up just to spite PAC.

Lastly, there was no shame Mosley losing to Forrest. He rebounded from those losses to become the man who destroyed Margarito

[hugh grant]

How can you want Floyd s career when his career is ridiculed and remembered for what he didn't do. He's remembered for beating common opponents less dominantly. Not fighting abroad, not giving rematches to biggest rivals, remembered for leaving questions unanswered.

Remembered for being overly cautious and every 9 out of 10 fights not giving any advantages away, cws with green nelo, pillows on maidana, I mean maidana wasn't actually elite or top draw but pillows were needed just because he punched harder? Lucas matyse punched hard also did Pac ask for pillows for lucas? I mean maidana don't hit as hard as SRL but hasn't half the boxing ability also.

Floyds a glorified sven ottke.
If you'd want an.unbeaten.record of course you'd want Floyd s career. You'd probably want marcianos, and Calzaghe also as well as ottke.
If you want to be a higher ATG you'd obviously prefer Pac s career

[Oregonian]

How can you want Floyd s career when his career is ridiculed and remembered for what he didn't do. He's remembered for beating common opponents less dominantly. Not fighting abroad, not giving rematches to biggest rivals, remembered for leaving questions unanswered.

Remembered for being overly cautious and every 9 out of 10 fights not giving any advantages away, cws with green nelo, pillows on maidana, I mean maidana wasn't actually elite or top draw but pillows were needed just because he punched harder? Lucas matyse punched hard also did Pac ask for pillows for lucas? I mean maidana don't hit as hard as SRL but hasn't half the boxing ability also.

Floyds a glorified sven ottke.
If you'd want an.unbeaten.record of course you'd want Floyd s career. You'd probably want marcianos, and Calzaghe also as well as ottke.
If you want to be a higher ATG you'd obviously prefer Pac s career

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Canelo cane up with the catchweight offer and Maidana team came up with those gloves that Floyd rejected.

However, since you claim Floyd will be remembered for giving advantages in 9 out of 10 fights. Let’s do the math
Floyd has 50 fights.

I can show you proof of the Canelo and Maidana allegetions that you are making but I know it’s a waste of time.
Can you name the other 40 fights that Floyd took advantage on other fighters??
Surely it cannot be just the two fights that you are basing your frivolous allegations ?

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

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So what you’re doing is getting hang-up on how you define a loss.
Here’s the difference between the two guys:
Ortiz had beaten the undefeated Berto for the WBC belt which made him the man.

Guerrero built himself up to WW (he wasn’t coming off losses like Rios or Mosley or Margarito, his lone defeat at the time was8 years prior).

Mosley had destroyed the myth that was Margarito and took the WBC belt from him. He was supposedly the guy that could beat Floyd.

Maidana was a belt holder and worked his way to hold a belt at WW. His durability was obvious in how he handled Floyd.

Berto is a fight no one can defend. Floyd should have and could have fought someone else. He could have fought Horn & beat him up just to spite PAC.

Lastly, there was no shame Mosley losing to Forrest. He rebounded from those losses to become the man who destroyed Margarito

Cmon on Bro - “Ortiz the man for beating Berto”?? Lol!!! And the great Haymon protected Berto had what notable significant win on his record??? Ur talking about the same Ortiz who “quit” against Maidana....and showed his obvious lack of balls once again against Floyd. And once again - Maidana had already been clearly outboxed 3 times prior to Floyd - without any doubt or controversy ala the 1st fight w/Mayweather. And the “ghost” - wat a joke!! Won’t bother with his resume. Margo - the cheater ....was apparently robbed of his mythical power without the illegal cement wraps....so wat was so special about Mosley pummeling him?

[Oregonian]

Cmon on Bro - “Ortiz the man for beating Berto”?? Lol!!! And the great Haymon protected Berto had what notable significant win on his record??? Ur talking about the same Ortiz who “quit” against Maidana....and showed his obvious lack of balls once again against Floyd. And once again - Maidana had already been clearly outboxed 3 times prior to Floyd - without any doubt or controversy ala the 1st fight w/Mayweather. And the “ghost” - wat a joke!! Won’t bother with his resume. Margo - the cheater ....was apparently robbed of his mythical power without the illegal cement wraps....so wat was so special about Mosley pummeling him?

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I am not going to shoot down your compelling points.
I see the case you are making.

My thing is, most people put a lot of emphasis on belts. Manny fans typically celebrate the guy as the only 8 division title holder. I think even you’d agree that a couple of those belts were solely to pad up his record (135, 140 and 154 were all formalities towards that dubious distinction).

While I agree that Floyd should have tried harder to make certain fights (Cotto and Margarito in 2008 or PAC in 2010), but I also understand the issue he had working with Bob Arum. A lot of big name fighters left Arum and Manny himself tried to sign with Oscar. I can live with the certainty that had those fights happened, Floyd would still have won.

I can’t say the same about PAC. The guy struggled with Marquez before finally getting sparked out. He struggles against pure boxes and Roach is on record about that.
You are right about Margarito, there is nothing special about him at all. Hence my chuckle when PAC fans brag about that Catchweight induced dubious win