Karmazin-Mayweather???

[amagnin]

Its the weight dude. The only reason why Floyd is even fighting any of these guys is to get at Oscar. He wouldnt have moved up this fast & he knows he is taking a big risk. He wouldve had atleast 3 more fights at 140 if he wasnt chasing Oscar. He probally wouldnt even be at 147 until his next fight and then he wouldve stayed there for awhile.

He is only moving up because he knows Oscar brings the big money & thats it. He know's he is taking crazy risk fighting at these weights. Use common sense. Again, Pac wouldnt even move to 135 to fight Juan Lazcano. Theres no way in hell he would do that but no one would rip him for that and eveyrone would say that he is crazy as hell for taking that fight.

At the same time he would maybe go there to fight Chico or Diaz. Thats my point. Why fight Lazcano when you gain nothing, dont make much money, and you wont get super credit for but he could still beat you just as easily as the other 2 guys.

Now if Lazcano was at 126 or even 130 then Pac wouldnt think that way about him at all but he knows that 135 maybe too much for him and no one would blame him for that and they would say that he was crazy if he did something like that.

If you guys cant understand that then you guys have problems foreal & Pac is much more closer to a 135 pounder then Floyd is to a 154 pounder

Last time I checked Pac never said that he could beat anyone from 135 or 140 down whatever it is. Also what the hell are you talking about staying at 140 for 3 fights...against who? The move to 147 was necessary because Hatton and Cotto didn't want to fight. The longest he could have stayed would have been one more fight against Vivian Harris or Maussa. Clearly I don't think fighting Karmazin would be a smart move, but I didn't choose to move to 154...he did. And if he claims to be the man from 154 down that means all fighters from 154 down including Karmazin. He cherry-picked Cory Spinks because he is an easy mark and happens to be at 154. You have even admitted that if Spinks lost Mayweather would have stayed at 147 or fought another overmatched title holder. I am tired of him managing his career so carefully. Why can't you want to see good fights like the rest of boxing fans.

[charlie31]

I want one of you guys to go ask Big Poppa Pump if what your saying makes sense because it doesnt at all. No expert will say that Floyd is a punk if he wouldnt have fought Karmazin. Experts write about this **** every day. They all say that. Its like Taylor moving to 175 & fighting a tough guy like Glen Johnson. Why the hell would Taylor do that in his 1st fight? He would much rather fight a guy like Hopkins who will be just as hard to beat but he would get way more credit for. Taylor doesnt know at all how he will react at 175. Its completely different from 168

you mean like Shane Mosley moving up and fighting Oscar???? or Hopkins moving up and fighting Tarver???

[DLT]

Last time I checked Pac never said that he could beat anyone from 135 or 140 down whatever it is. Also what the hell are you talking about staying at 140 for 3 fights...against who? The move to 147 was necessary because Hatton and Cotto didn't want to fight. The longest he could have stayed would have been one more fight against Vivian Harris or Maussa. Clearly I don't think fighting Karmazin would be a smart move, but I didn't choose to move to 154...he did. And if he claims to be the man from 154 down that means all fighters from 154 down including Karmazin. He cherry-picked Cory Spinks because he is an easy mark and happens to be at 154. You have even admitted that if Spinks lost Mayweather would have stayed at 147 or fought another overmatched title holder. I am tired of him managing his career so carefully. Why can't you want to see good fights like the rest of boxing fans.

Keep on talking because the more you do the more your opinion slowly starts to change my friend. Stop throwing in extra stuff now. So what Pac doesnt say that he's the best from 135 on down. That means he gets held to such a different standard? Theres scrubs & rookies out here who think there the best. Floyd still always says that guys can give him trouble, just like he says that Oscar will give him his toughest fight ever or that he would have to be nearly perfect all night against Tsyzu because he actually believes that Tsyzu could end it all with one punch. How many guys admit that. No fighter would do it, no promoter would think of doing it, and no writer would get mad for you not doing it.

Dont forget that he wanted to fight Mosley & he wouldve did it at 154. Is that cherry picking also? Is Mosley a tough fight?

[amagnin]

Keep on talking because the more you do the more your opinion slowly starts to change my friend. Stop throwing in extra stuff now. So what Pac doesnt say that he's the best from 135 on down. That means he gets held to such a different standard? Theres scrubs & rookies out here who think there the best. Floyd still always says that guys can give him trouble, just like he says that Oscar will give him his toughest fight ever or that he would have to be nearly perfect all night against Tsyzu because he actually believes that Tsyzu could end it all with one punch. How many guys admit that. No fighter would do it, no promoter would think of doing it, and no writer would get mad for you not doing it.

Dont forget that he wanted to fight Mosley & he wouldve did it at 154. Is that cherry picking also? Is Mosley a tough fight?

Keep it simple...Did Floyd say he could beat anybody from 154 on down? YES HE DID. So I will hold him to that standard. And if DLH is so great and he is going to beat him then why can't he beat Karmazin. And talk about getting off topic this argument was supposed to be about whether or not Cory Spinks is a hand picked opponent simply because he can't punch and he has a title. Prove me wrong...with facts please.

[charlie31]

Keep on talking because the more you do the more your opinion slowly starts to change my friend. Stop throwing in extra stuff now. So what Pac doesnt say that he's the best from 135 on down. That means he gets held to such a different standard? Theres scrubs & rookies out here who think there the best. Floyd still always says that guys can give him trouble, just like he says that Oscar will give him his toughest fight ever or that he would have to be nearly perfect all night against Tsyzu because he actually believes that Tsyzu could end it all with one punch. How many guys admit that. No fighter would do it, no promoter would think of doing it, and no writer would get mad for you not doing it.

Dont forget that he wanted to fight Mosley & he wouldve did it at 154. Is that cherry picking also? Is Mosley a tough fight?

mosley is past his prime AND already stated he was gonna be fighting at 147...doe doe

[amagnin]

If he was fighting Shane Mosley I wouldn't be saying anything. Why? Because Shane Mosley is an established p4p type of fighter coming off of two victories over a faded but still capable Vargas (who is a lot bigger than him). He also owns a win (controversial but still a win) against DLH at 154. Mosley would be a great opponent, but it didn't happen so my criterion is simply pick the next best fight. To me that would be a unification at 147 with either Margarito or Baldomir. Clearly those aren't the best fights out there but the best fights couldn't be made.

[{BrownBomber}]

I want one of you guys to go ask Big Poppa Pump if what your saying makes sense because it doesnt at all. No expert will say that Floyd is a punk if he wouldnt have fought Karmazin. Experts write about this **** every day. They all say that. Its like Taylor moving to 175 & fighting a tough guy like Glen Johnson. Why the hell would Taylor do that in his 1st fight? He would much rather fight a guy like Hopkins who will be just as hard to beat but he would get way more credit for. Taylor doesnt know at all how he will react at 175. Its completely different from 168

then why is James fighting Peter or any heavyweight of that matter?if you go up into that weight then you should intend on fighting the best, not picking the easier fighters and leaving.

[DLT]

you mean like Shane Mosley moving up and fighting Oscar???? or Hopkins moving up and fighting Tarver???

What are you talking about? Mosley had been at 135 his whole career and was the biggest guy there. Thats not special and the same guys for Hopkins. Those are great accomplishments but they had been there for all there career and Mosley was a huge lightweight & Hopkins was a drained MW.

Floyd started all the way back at 130 & has quickley moved up to 154 despite Floyd being a super small guy. Why do you keep leaving out that part? Floyd is the smallest guy in boxing who isnt a non HW. Name one guy that is close to Floyd in terms of fighting at a weight much bigger then he belongs.

Floyd walks around at 149. Castillo has been at 135 but what it be so special if he jumped straight to 147? No because he has been at LW his whole life and has been a super huge lightweight. I mean Castillo was way bigger then Floyd back then but Castillo is still at 135 while Floyd is going to be at 154 but I bet everyone would still say that Castillo is the bigger guy

[amagnin]

Keep it simple...Did Floyd say he could beat anybody from 154 on down? YES HE DID. So I will hold him to that standard. And if DLH is so great and he is going to beat him then why can't he beat Karmazin. And talk about getting off topic this argument was supposed to be about whether or not Cory Spinks is a hand picked opponent simply because he can't punch and he has a title. Prove me wrong...with facts please.

I'm still waiting on that response...?

[DLT]

If he was fighting Shane Mosley I wouldn't be saying anything. Why? Because Shane Mosley is an established p4p type of fighter coming off of two victories over a faded but still capable Vargas (who is a lot bigger than him). He also owns a win (controversial but still a win) against DLH at 154. Mosley would be a great opponent, but it didn't happen so my criterion is simply pick the next best fight. To me that would be a unification at 147 with either Margarito or Baldomir. Clearly those aren't the best fights out there but the best fights couldn't be made.

So basically your whole point is just garbage and you are hating on Spinks. Just because you have a totally low ****ty opinion of the guy doesnt mean that everyone else does. I would put my money any day on Spinks to beat Mosley's ass.

How can you not give Spinks credit with the wins he has? I dont care what you say because I dont respect you guys position anymore if your going to keep saying that Spinks is garbage. Dude has so many big wins. I bet Mosley cant even beat Karmazin and your going to kill Spinks? Joke