Karmazin-Mayweather???

[amagnin]

Not to mention a DONE fighter who needed a miracle and two legs to run on to get by.

Oh clearly but I was trying to keep the discussion to facts and not our (right) opinions. I would argue that the win over Karmazin was almost equivalent to losing. I've NEVER been less impressed with a fighter after beating a good opponent.

[mic573]

Maybe he wouldn't have but the fact is Karmazin couldn't get the job done against a supposedly "done" fighter.

[amagnin]

Maybe he wouldn't have but the fact is Karmazin couldn't get the job done against a supposedly "done" fighter.

This isn't a critique of Karmazin. Karmazin fought a ****** and uninspired fight but so did Spinks. I don't see how any judge gave him the 12th round. I am simply asking this question: DID FLOYD MAYWEATHER CHERRY PICK AN OPPONENT WITH A TITLE?
My answer...yes...why? because if the opponent with a title had been Karmazin this fight would not be made. So in conclusion Cory Spinks did win against Karmazin and that is what makes him a cherry-picked opponent.

[MR. V]

It is sad that people don't care about boxing anymore. Like it or not Mayweather will eventually be the most talked about fighter when DLH retires and I don't want to see another RJJ.

i hear ya, no doubt i was just simply noting.

ps.look how many people i got to this thread. hehehehe.

[amagnin]

i hear ya, no doubt i was just simply noting.

ps.look how many people i got to this thread. hehehehe.

Well thanks for putting me back in business...looks like you know how to make people care again...maybe you should call Floyd.

[DLT]

Just to start off I still like Floyd Mayweather as I think he has incredible boxing skills. That being said I think his upcoming bout with Cory Spinks is BS. I have argued on several other threads about how unimpressive Spinks has looked in almost every fight, but clearly that is my opinion not fact. On the other hand, I believe this point should prove that Floyd is in fact cherry picking opponents with titles (especially here). Does anybody believe that Floyd's next fight would be against Karmazin had he beaten Spinks? I am nearly positive that Floyd would still be fighting at 147 or would have challenged Jose Rivera... not Karmazin. Please let me know if you agree or disagree.

Come on dude, lets atleast be fair about things and stop just throwing everything out. Im the biggest Floyd fan and even I admit that there is no way he wouldve fought Karmazin but you cant blame him for that at all. The guy should really be at 140, can still make 135, and comes into the ring weighing 146 for a 147 pound fight.

Why would he take on a big strong guy like Karmazin in his 1st fight at a weight that he admits is his limit & he doesnt know how he will react. Just because your the #1 guy doesnt mean you just fight anyone anytime and make ****** decisions. Floyd wouldve fought Karmazin all day if he was a natural 147 pounder but the guy started at 130 and has moved up super fast. You cant hate on him for that when he still has a fight with Oscar out there.

He wouldve fought Winky before fighting Karmazin. Why take on a guy who could give you that much hell & you would get no credit for. It has nothing to do with being scared, it has to do with weight & knowing your limits. Its just like Floyd wouldnt have fought Quartey or Forrest but why would you rip him for not fighting a elite fighter at a weight that is much too high for him?

Now if Karmazin was the man then that would be something different. If Karmazin was seen as a top 5 P4P guy then he would do it but its definatly not worth the risk. Margarito is a big stud who has been at 147 his whole career and I bet anything that he wouldnt have even fought Karmazin even if the money was right. Why do that when he can still wait around for guys like Floyd, Hatton, Baldy, & so on? Why would Margarito take a super hard fight against a guy where you wont get much credit and you still have a great shot of losing?

Floyd wouldnt have even made much money in that fight which definatly makes it a no. There is no fighter in history who would take that fight if they were in Floyd's position. You cant keep hating on him like this because even you have to admit this is too far. Now if Floyd beats Spinks, Mosley, & then Oscar at 154 then a Karmazin fight is much more reasonable because he will have been used to the weight and have got these other big money fights out the way but he would probally still rather fight Winky before he fights Karmazin & you cant blame him for that.

****, Ouma is a top fighter who has been at 154 all his life, just lost to Karmazin & do you even see him knocking on Karmazin's door despite everyone making excuses for Spinks & why he lost? There not doing it because they arent ****** enough to fight a guy they know would give Ouma hell before Ouma can maybe get a fight with Margarito, Forrest, Quartey, Spinks, or something. Ouma wont even do it so what makes you think Floyd will? Now that Karmazin has lost, it still was a close fight that everyone gives him credit for so he would be the perfect guy for other contenders to face but do you think anyone will go near him?

Hell No because it makes no sense. They all would rather fight guys who are considered better then him because he is still just as hard to beat, you wont get much credit, and you wont make much money. Anyone would still pick a Winky fight over Karmazin. Anyone

[charlie31]

Come on dude, lets atleast be fair about things and stop just throwing everything out. Im the biggest Floyd fan and even I admit that there is no way he wouldve fought Karmazin but you cant blame him for that at all. The guy should really be at 140, can still make 135, and comes into the ring weighing 146 for a 147 pound fight.

Why would he take on a big strong guy like Karmazin in his 1st fight at a weight that he admits is his limit & he doesnt know how he will react. Just because your the #1 guy doesnt mean you just fight anyone anytime and make ****** decisions. Floyd wouldve fought Karmazin all day if he was a natural 147 pounder but the guy started at 130 and has moved up super fast. You cant hate on him for that when he still has a fight with Oscar out there.

He wouldve fought Winky before fighting Karmazin. Why take on a guy who could give you that much hell & you would get no credit for. It has nothing to do with being scared, it has to do with weight & knowing your limits. Its just like Floyd wouldnt have fought Quartey or Forrest but why would you rip him for not fighting a elite fighter at a weight that is much too high for him?

Now if Karmazin was the man then that would be something different. If Karmazin was seen as a top 5 P4P guy then he would do it but its definatly not worth the risk. Margarito is a big stud who has been at 147 his whole career and I bet anything that he wouldnt have even fought Karmazin even if the money was right. Why do that when he can still wait around for guys like Floyd, Hatton, Baldy, & so on? Why would Margarito take a super hard fight against a guy where you wont get much credit and you still have a great shot of losing?

Floyd wouldnt have even made much money in that fight which definatly makes it a no. There is no fighter in history who would take that fight if they were in Floyd's position. You cant keep hating on him like this because even you have to admit this is too far. Now if Floyd beats Spinks, Mosley, & then Oscar at 154 then a Karmazin fight is much more reasonable because he will have been used to the weight and have got these other big money fights out the way but he would probally still rather fight Winky before he fights Karmazin & you cant blame him for that.

****, Ouma is a top fighter who has been at 154 all his life, just lost to Karmazin & do you even see him knocking on Karmazin's door despite everyone making excuses for Spinks & why he lost? There not doing it because they arent ****** enough to fight a guy they know would give Ouma hell before Ouma can maybe get a fight with Margarito, Forrest, Quartey, Spinks, or something. Ouma wont even do it so what makes you think Floyd will? Now that Karmazin has lost, it still was a close fight that everyone gives him credit for so he would be the perfect guy for other contenders to face but do you think anyone will go near him? Hell No because it makes no sense

whut eva......................

[amagnin]

Come on dude, lets atleast be fair about things and stop just throwing everything out. Im the biggest Floyd fan and even I admit that there is no way he wouldve fought Karmazin but you cant blame him for that at all. The guy should really be at 140, can still make 135, and comes into the ring weighing 146 for a 147 pound fight.

Why would he take on a big strong guy like Karmazin in his 1st fight at a weight that he admits is his limit & he doesnt know how he will react. Just because your the #1 guy doesnt mean you just fight anyone anytime and make ****** decisions. Floyd wouldve fought Karmazin all day if he was a natural 147 pounder but the guy started at 130 and has moved up super fast. You cant hate on him for that when he still has a fight with Oscar out there.

He wouldve fought Winky before fighting Karmazin. Why take on a guy who could give you that much hell & you would get no credit for. It has nothing to do with being scared, it has to do with weight & knowing your limits. Its just like Floyd wouldnt have fought Quartey or Forrest but why would you rip him for not fighting a elite fighter at a weight that is much too high for him?

Now if Karmazin was the man then that would be something different. If Karmazin was seen as a top 5 P4P guy then he would do it but its definatly not worth the risk. Margarito is a big stud who has been at 147 his whole career and I bet anything that he wouldnt have even fought Karmazin even if the money was right. Why do that when he can still wait around for guys like Floyd, Hatton, Baldy, & so on? Why would Margarito take a super hard fight against a guy where you wont get much credit and you still have a great shot of losing?

Floyd wouldnt have even made much money in that fight which definatly makes it a no. There is no fighter in history who would take that fight if they were in Floyd's position. You cant keep hating on him like this because even you have to admit this is too far. Now if Floyd beats Spinks, Mosley, & then Oscar at 154 then a Karmazin fight is much more reasonable because he will have been used to the weight and have got these other big money fights out the way but he would probally still rather fight Winky before he fights Karmazin & you cant blame him for that

If he was fighting Winky Wright nobody would be saying anything. And your post basically admits that he has cherry-picked a weak opponent for a title and his first fight at 154. You know I would be alright with this fight if it was a tune-up for DLH, but who is he going to fight in February? The clear common sense choice was to fight Baldomir (the next best choice at this point is Margarito). Don't start another argument about Spinks and Margarito we will just have to agree to disagree. But I will reiterate that this is a cherry-picked match so that he can say I won 5 titles in 5 weight divisions. You have admitted that if this was a tougher fight he wouldn't have taken it. I don't like that he watches his career so carefully because I believe boxers should take risks. Also Floyd has said on numerous occassions that he can beat anybody 154 or below so don't say that if you don't mean it. And by the way didn't Spinks (a naturally smaller guy) fight Karmazin in his first fight at 154 after a long lay off? And stop saying that I am hating on Floyd because I am not. I simply want him to do what is right for his career and the sport...give us good fights.

[DLT]

whut eva......................

Shut up man because I know you didnt even read all that **** so stop responding if you dont read it. If you have a bottle then you should get it to Margarito for crying about not getting any fights? He can cry his broke ass all the way back to Mexico because he will retire with those same weak ass opponents & his ass will be a after thought just like you

[charlie31]

Shut up man because I know you didnt even read all that **** so stop responding if you dont read it. If you have a bottle then you should get it to Margarito for crying about not getting any fights? He can cry his broke ass all the way back to Mexico because he will retire with those same weak ass opponents & his ass will be a after thought just like you

weak ass opponents? You mean like Anontio Diaz? who he KTFO..Same Diaz that beat Cory Stinks? pillow hands!!



P4P baby!!