Karmazin-Mayweather???

[amagnin]

weak ass opponents? You mean like Anontio Diaz? who he KTFO..Same Diaz that beat Cory Stinks? pillow hands!!



P4P baby!!

He won't listen... plus he all but admitted that Spinks is a cherry-picked opponent, he just used different words. He won't fight Karmazin because he's too tough of a fight... what does that mean? It means that Karmazin could beat him in that fight so he won't take it. Meanwhile he sees a mark in Spinks that he can easily take down so make that fight. This is so annoying considering he had a 147 unification all but handed to him.

[DLT]

If he was fighting Winky Wright nobody would be saying anything. And your post basically admits that he has cherry-picked a weak opponent for a title and his first fight at 154. You know I would be alright with this fight if it was a tune-up for DLH, but who is he going to fight in February? The clear common sense choice was to fight Baldomir (the next best choice at this point is Margarito). Don't start another argument about Spinks and Margarito we will just have to agree to disagree. But I will reiterate that this is a cherry-picked match so that he can say I won 5 titles in 5 weight divisions. You have admitted that if this was a tougher fight he wouldn't have taken it. I don't like that he watches his career so carefully because I believe boxers should take risks. Also Floyd has said on numerous occassions that he can beat anybody 154 or below so don't say that if you don't mean it. And by the way didn't Spinks (a naturally smaller guy) fight Karmazin in his first fight at 154 after a long lay off? And stop saying that I am hating on Floyd because I am not. I simply want him to do what is right for his career and the sport...give us good fights.

Your missing the point. Its not the opponent, its the weight. If Karmazin was that same exact guy but he was a 140 pounds, do you think Floyd wouldnt pick him? He would definatly pick Karmazin.

Were talking about weight dude. Dont compare anyone in the sport to Floyd because you cant name one fighter except a couple who are HW that are fighting guys that much bigger then them. No one is fighting at 3 classes above his weight.

You dont even get it do you? Why do you think no writer has said anything like this post? Because they arent ******. No one would expect Floyd to take on a guy like Karmazin in his 1st fight at Floyd's highest weight ever, which he cant even make. This is almost like Pac fighting Vivian Harris in his next fight. Why the hell would he do that?

If Karmazin was the same guy at 147 then it wouldnt be a big deal but your talking about a guys limit who alot of people still dont know if he can make it at. You have to be reasonable and stop talking like a fool. He wouldnt have fought Forrest, Quartey, or Karmazin, because he doesnt know how much 154 will be too him and there names arent big enough where it is worth it

[charlie31]

Your missing the point. Its not the opponent, its the weight. If Karmazin was that same exact guy but he was a 140 pounds, do you think Floyd wouldnt pick him? He would definatly pick Karmazin.

Were talking about weight dude. Dont compare anyone in the sport to Floyd because you cant name one fighter except a couple who are HW that are fighting guys that much bigger then them. No one is fighting at 3 classes above his weight.

You dont even get it do you? Why do you think no writer has said anything like this post? Because they arent ******. No one would expect Floyd to take on a guy like Karmazin in his 1st fight at Floyd's highest weight ever, which he cant even make. This is almost like Pac fighting Vivian Harris in his next fight. Why the hell would he do that?

If Karmazin was the same guy at 147 then it wouldnt be a big deal but your talking about a guys limit who alot of people still dont know if he can make it at. You have to be reasonable and stop talking like a fool. He wouldnt have fought Forrest, Quartey, or Karmazin, because he doesnt know how much 154 will be too him and there names arent big enough where it is worth it

WELL WHAT WAS HIS EXCUSE FOR CHERRY PICKING AT 140 AND 147 THEN?????



ARE YOU BLIND? P4P BABY!

[charlie31]

weak ass opponents? You mean like Anontio Diaz? who he KTFO..Same Diaz that beat Cory Stinks? pillow hands!!



P4P baby!!

AHEM..............

[DLT]

He won't listen... plus he all but admitted that Spinks is a cherry-picked opponent, he just used different words. He won't fight Karmazin because he's too tough of a fight... what does that mean? It means that Karmazin could beat him in that fight so he won't take it. Meanwhile he sees a mark in Spinks that he can easily take down so make that fight. This is so annoying considering he had a 147 unification all but handed to him.

I want one of you guys to go ask Big Poppa Pump if what your saying makes sense because it doesnt at all. No expert will say that Floyd is a punk if he wouldnt have fought Karmazin. Experts write about this **** every day. They all say that. Its like Taylor moving to 175 & fighting a tough guy like Glen Johnson. Why the hell would Taylor do that in his 1st fight? He would much rather fight a guy like Hopkins who will be just as hard to beat but he would get way more credit for. Taylor doesnt know at all how he will react at 175. Its completely different from 168




Last night I rewatched Floyd-Zab, Margarito-Santos, & Baldy-Gatti. Here are my thoughts:

I cant believe people diss Floyd on the way he fought against Zab. I thought he was brilliant. Zab came out with his A game and after the 4th round Floyd completely shut him down. People who hate on Floyd's talents have to be sick. There is no one in boxing like him and he truly is one of the great pure fighters in history. The way he calmly walked Judah down all night, picked him apart, and his defense was excellent against a lefty. It was also great to see him change his D for that fight.

He is by far the only guy in boxing who can fight a different stlye offesivley or defensively in every fight or during a fight. One fight on offense he is a mover, the next fight he is a boxer, and the next fight he is a stalker. On Defense in one fight he rolls his shoulders, the next fight he's keeping his hands up like Winky, and the next fight he uses the crab style with his arms crossed in front of him. I thought he was brilliant against Zab.

Baldy is a straight up beast. I dont care what anyone says about Gatti, you can still tell a great fighter when you see one and Baldy is a beast. I had a argument with someone on here last week about Baldy being a great technical fighter. If you go back and watch that fight then you cant disagree. He did so many tight moves in that fight. The way he hit Gatti with the straigh right, then Gatti would counter, but Baldy had already immidatly dipped his head back, and then threw another straight right. Some of the puches he threw from crazy angles were awesome. I still say that he definatly beats Cotto & Hatton.

Margarito vs Santos was a good fight. It shows you that Margarito is a bad boy. His power, toughness, and desire to win is crazy. Watching Margarito leaves you perplexed. Im watching him and saying that this guy would kill everyone out there at 147 besides Floyd & alot of guys at 154 but then the very next second he starts swinging these wide, sloppy Mayorga type punches, with no defense and then you wonder will he get killed by a solid fighter because Im just picturing him fighting a guy like Mosley who will shoot super hard power punches right down the pipe once Margarito starts swinging wide.

I came to the same conclusion as I came to in one of my other threads. These are great fighters but instead of appreciating them, we always rip them. I feel bad for Floyd because he's not going to get the credit he deserves for Baldy. People just dont know how good this guy really is right now and it makes me wish that he couldve fought a guy like Hatton or someone 1st so Floyd could get his credit.

As for Margaito, where still at the same spot and its like what I said about him fighting Williams. From the Santos fight I couldnt tell if Margarito was great or overrated & the only way you can tell that is to beat a proven guy. Williams is a good fight but if he wins then you would still have questions. I also dont want Floyd to fight Margarito now because Margarito could be a stud and before the fight it would be alot of hype but after the fight it would be just like Baldy and they wont give him the complete credit after looking at his resume. Basically if Margarito just fought & beat a solid guy right now like Zab, Callazo, or Rivera then everyone would be sold and you could tell how good he really is

[amagnin]

Your missing the point. Its not the opponent, its the weight. If Karmazin was that same exact guy but he was a 140 pounds, do you think Floyd wouldnt pick him? He would definatly pick Karmazin.

Were talking about weight dude. Dont compare anyone in the sport to Floyd because you cant name one fighter except a couple who are HW that are fighting guys that much bigger then them. No one is fighting at 3 classes above his weight.

You dont even get it do you? Why do you think no writer has said anything like this post? Because they arent ******. No one would expect Floyd to take on a guy like Karmazin in his 1st fight at Floyd's highest weight ever, which he cant even make. This is almost like Pac fighting Vivian Harris in his next fight. Why the hell would he do that?

If Karmazin was the same guy at 147 then it wouldnt be a big deal but your talking about a guys limit who alot of people still dont know if he can make it at. You have to be reasonable and stop talking like a fool. He wouldnt have fought Forrest, Quartey, or Karmazin, because he doesnt know how much 154 will be too him and there names arent big enough where it is worth it

Clearly it is the opponent...not the weight because he is fighting at 154. He chose his opponent very carefully because Spinks is weak. Forrest, Quartey, and Ouma all started their careers at 147 so I guess that means that he would fight them according to your logic. Point is that the reason nobody started this thread is that it was a good argument that isn't that obvious. Notice plenty of people have agreed with my point since I have posted it. This fight is intentional because its easy. He wouldn't have fought Cory Spinks if he had lost (at least I hope he wouldn't) so clearly he picked the weakest title holder at 154.

[charlie31]

I want one of you guys to go ask Big Poppa Pump if what your saying makes sense because it doesnt at all. No expert will say that Floyd is a punk if he wouldnt have fought Karmazin. Experts write about this **** every day. They all say that. Its like Taylor moving to 175 & fighting a tough guy like Glen Johnson. Why the hell would Taylor do that in his 1st fight? He would much rather fight a guy like Hopkins who will be just as hard to beat but he would get way more credit for. Taylor doesnt know at all how he will react at 175. Its completely different from 168

what about 140 and 147..this applies to his last two weightclasses..and i dont need to talk to to bigpoppaplump

answer the question!! nuthugger

[amagnin]

I want one of you guys to go ask Big Poppa Pump if what your saying makes sense because it doesnt at all. No expert will say that Floyd is a punk if he wouldnt have fought Karmazin. Experts write about this **** every day. They all say that. Its like Taylor moving to 175 & fighting a tough guy like Glen Johnson. Why the hell would Taylor do that in his 1st fight? He would much rather fight a guy like Hopkins who will be just as hard to beat but he would get way more credit for. Taylor doesnt know at all how he will react at 175. Its completely different from 168

I never said he was a punk... don't put words in my mouth. I said this was cherry-picked fight against a very beatable opponent and it is. You haven't said one thing to refute that. All you have attempted to prove is that Karmazin isn't a good fight for his first fight at 154. So in effect you have proven my point that the reason for the move to 154 is because this is an EASY FIGHT. Also when did Jermain Taylor say he could beat every single fighter from 175 down. If he said that then I would hold him to it...pretty simple

[DLT]

Clearly it is the opponent...not the weight because he is fighting at 154. He chose his opponent very carefully because Spinks is weak. Forrest, Quartey, and Ouma all started their careers at 147 so I guess that means that he would fight them according to your logic. Point is that the reason nobody started this thread is that it was a good argument that isn't that obvious. Notice plenty of people have agreed with my point since I have posted it. This fight is intentional because its easy. He wouldn't have fought Cory Spinks if he had lost (at least I hope he wouldn't) so clearly he picked the weakest title holder at 154.

Its the weight dude. The only reason why Floyd is even fighting any of these guys is to get at Oscar. He wouldnt have moved up this fast & he knows he is taking a big risk. He wouldve had atleast 3 more fights at 140 if he wasnt chasing Oscar. He probally wouldnt even be at 147 until his next fight and then he wouldve stayed there for awhile.

He is only moving up because he knows Oscar brings the big money & thats it. He know's he is taking crazy risk fighting at these weights. Use common sense. Again, Pac wouldnt even move to 135 to fight Juan Lazcano. Theres no way in hell he would do that but no one would rip him for that and eveyrone would say that he is crazy as hell for taking that fight.

At the same time he would maybe go there to fight Chico or Diaz. Thats my point. Why fight Lazcano when you gain nothing, dont make much money, and you wont get super credit for but he could still beat you just as easily as the other 2 guys.

Now if Lazcano was at 126 or even 130 then Pac wouldnt think that way about him at all but he knows that 135 maybe too much for him and no one would blame him for that and they would say that he was crazy if he did something like that.

If you guys cant understand that then you guys have problems foreal & Pac is much more closer to a 135 pounder then Floyd is to a 154 pounder. That is my point & any expert will tell you the same thing. You cant just be dumb now. Get real guys. Im glad you guys arent promoters because you wouldnt have any succesful fighters

[charlie31]

WELL WHAT WAS HIS EXCUSE FOR CHERRY PICKING AT 140 AND 147 THEN?????



ARE YOU BLIND? P4P BABY!

stop ducking my question..