Pacquiao fans: Why did he fight David Diaz at 135 instead of Nate Campbell?

[Ca$ual Fan]

WTF kinda fanboy question is that? You're talking about a guy who had already lost to lesser talents than Campbell and went on to lose to a Jeff Horn. Genuine threat? LMAO!!!

A better question is this: if you are selling yourself as always looking for the best fights, why are you fighting the guy who clearly isn't?

You forgot to consider that Campbell wasn’t a 170 rehydrated lbs bully against an aging fighter. He’s gonna up against a 29-yr old primed freak same size as him.

Why should he ignore a belt holder when he’s campaigning at that weight?

Diaz may be an easier fight but he was also an easier fight to make as he was an in-house fight. Doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have considered a Campbell fight later.

[ShoulderRoll]

Just a question. Do you believe Campbell was a genuine threat @ 135 to Pac?

Who do you believe was more of a threat to Pacquiao @ 135 lbs, Campbell or David Diaz?

[ELPacman]

David Diaz was Pac's first test at 135lbs... Only reason he didn't stick around is cause ODLH fight came up and then with the other potential large paydays at the higher weight, he didn't have desire to go down to 135lbs anymore. Oscar, Hatton, and Cotto were all massive paydays for Pac. Why would he try to go back to 135lbs?

Honestly, Pac was BEAST at 135lbs. I think he would have blitz Nate Campbell but that's just watercooler talk now. I still maintain that Pac's prime division since 30years old should have been 140lbs but other than Hatton, the $$$ wasn't worth sticking there. 140lbs gave him the speed and power advantage over everyone. 147lbs he's a little WW where his speed makes up for the depletion in punching power he lost at that division.

[Left Hook Tua]

I conceded that De La Hoya was bigger money over Campbell. And that JMM was bigger money of Baby Bull.

But David Diaz beating a shot Erik Morales who had lost 4 of his last 5 fights didn't make him some big draw.

David diaz was a top rank fighter.

Was arum gonna pay pacquiao more for fighting diaz or fighting a guy with another promoter he has to share the money with?

It's simple as that.

Arum makes more money with pac fighting one of his own guys. In turn, he pays pac more for fighting his own guys.

Unless you're a big draw that is way more money, arum rather have his fighters fight each other.

That's why unless you're delahoya or mayweather, etc. Arum lined up his stable for pac to fight.

He also uses the promise of a payday with pac for his fighters to re sign with him.

Hey extend your contract and I'll get u a pac fight payday. Stuff like that.

Say you'd rather see campbell than david Diaz but believe me David Diaz was more money for pac than nate. Arum made sure of that.

Also hes promoting pac and diaz foght did what it was suppose to. Get pac a new belt in a new weight class and make pac look good.

[ShoulderRoll]

David diaz was a top rank fighter.

Was arum gonna pay pacquiao more for fighting diaz or fighting a guy with another promoter he has to share the money with?

It's simple as that.

Arum makes more money with pac fighting one of his own guys. In turn, he pays pac more for fighting his own guys.

Unless you're a big draw that is way more money, arum rather have his fighters fight each other.

That's why unless you're delahoya or mayweather, etc. Arum lined up his stable for pac to fight.

He also uses the promise of a payday with pac for his fighters to re sign with him.

Hey extend your contract and I'll get u a pac fight payday. Stuff like that.

Say you'd rather see campbell than david Diaz but believe me David Diaz was more money for pac than nate. Arum made sure of that.

Also hes promoting pac and diaz foght did what it was suppose to. Get pac a new belt in a new weight class and make pac look good.

I can see the in-house fight thing being the reason , Tua.

That's Top Rank 101 for sure.

[Ca$ual Fan]

Who do you believe was more of a threat to Pacquiao @ 135 lbs, Campbell or David Diaz?

Neither. I would have understand if you put up Guzman or Valero into the mix but Campbell wouldn’t have done much better than Diaz. LW champs weren’t that good during that time.

[asgarth]

Even if pacquiao choosed the smaller risk, I wouldnt actually call it ducking if it is the first fight in a new weightclass.

Usually, fighters who move up fight against some tough but beatable fighters to get accustomed to the weightclass first before challenging top level guys. At least he fought against a title holder.

Most current fighters dont fight against the #1 guy when moving up in weight. Mosley challenging de lahoya right away is the exception and not the norm.

If pacquiao didnt fight delahoya, Im pretty confident that he would have unified instead.

[koolkc107]

You’re are the one failing to comprehend your own statement.

Where is your evidence that Diaz was actually promised the fight?

I was just pointing out that your conjecture created a contradictory statement.

Putting value on ABC titles is pathetic, they don’t mean sh**. You should be saying Pac should have fought Casamayor who was lineal champion at the time. Literally nobody has made that point so I’m not sure any of you were actually following boxing back then...

Not fighting Nate Campbell or Juan Diaz is hardly an indictment on Pacquiao’s career.

Do you feel Mayweather chose a weak champion choosing Baldomir over Margarito? Or choosing Gatti over Tszyu?

I don’t have a problem with those choices, but it feels like a lot of people in this thread have an agenda. Surely if you feel upset over Pac facing Diaz instead of Campbell you must be outraged that Mayweather fought Gatti and Baldomir over Tszyu and Margarito. Do you???

You just don't know how to stay in your lane, do you kid?

The fight was made before the second Pac-JMM fight.


"Top Rank’s Bob Arum announced the Pacquiao-Diaz fight had been made at the Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez post-fight news conference on March 15 in Las Vegas.

Pacquiao had just won a split decision over Marquez in another highly-competitive fight. People were clamoring for a third fight between Pacquiao and Marquez at the time.

Diaz was fortunate to pull out a majority decision over unheralded Ramon Montano on the Pacquaio-Marquez undercard."

https://www.ocregister.com/2008/05/1...acked-fight-2/

It was made when the public clearly wanted anything else and made specifically so Manny could rip a title in another weightclass, something that would have been more difficult vs Nate Campbell (or Juan Diaz had he won). It isn't about ABC titles, it's about Manny fighting the weakest possible competition to get a title, something that is a part of recurring theme in his career.

As for Casamayor, by saying he should be the one folks are putting out there as who Manny should have fought you are admitting that the people objecting to the choice of David Diaz are right to object. And your assumption that folks didn't mention Casamayor because they didn't follow the sport is also half-azzed because this whole thing is about Pac wanting a MAJOR DIVISIONAL BELT from one the 4 sanctioning bodies, not some imaginary belt like the lineal is.

You then double down on your idiocy by revealing it was likely you who wasn't following boxing back then. And, of course, you bring out the Pac fanboy go-to strategy of mentioning Mayweather in a discussion that has nothing to do with him.

OK, I will humor you.

Tell me, who had a better resume in Nov 2006, Baldomir or Margarito? Who had lost more recently, Baldy or Cheato? Who had defeated better names, had bigger fighters on their resume?

As for Kostya Tszyu, you have to ask him why he didn't want to fight Mayweather, because that's who didn't want the fight.

Your post makes it clear that you simply believe certain things you hear instead of doing the work of looking into why fights happen or don't happen.

No one who knows exactly what happened thinks Mayweather avoided Margarito or Tszyu...because he didn't.

To get back on topic, Pacquiao fighting David Diaz instead of the current unified champion, Nate Campbell, was likely just one more instance of Arum and Manny cherry picking. You can make the argument that because it was in house it was easier to make, but arguing that Diaz was a more legit opponent than Campbell (or others at lightweight) is complete and utter nonsense.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You just don't know how to stay in your lane, do you kid?

The fight was made before the second Pac-JMM fight.


"Top Rank’s Bob Arum announced the Pacquiao-Diaz fight had been made at the Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez post-fight news conference on March 15 in Las Vegas.

Pacquiao had just won a split decision over Marquez in another highly-competitive fight. People were clamoring for a third fight between Pacquiao and Marquez at the time.

Diaz was fortunate to pull out a majority decision over unheralded Ramon Montano on the Pacquaio-Marquez undercard."

https://www.ocregister.com/2008/05/1...acked-fight-2/

It was made when the public clearly wanted anything else and made specifically so Manny could rip a title in another weightclass, something that would have been more difficult vs Nate Campbell (or Juan Diaz had he won). It isn't about ABC titles, it's about Manny fighting the weakest possible competition to get a title, something that is a part of recurring theme in his career.

As for Casamayor, by saying he should be the one folks are putting out there as who Manny should have fought you are admitting that the people objecting to the choice of David Diaz are right to object. And your assumption that folks didn't mention Casamayor because they didn't follow the sport is also half-azzed because this whole thing is about Pac wanting a MAJOR DIVISIONAL BELT from one the 4 sanctioning bodies, not some imaginary belt like the lineal is.

You then double down on your idiocy by revealing it was likely you who wasn't following boxing back then. And, of course, you bring out the Pac fanboy go-to strategy of mentioning Mayweather in a discussion that has nothing to do with him.

OK, I will humor you.

Tell me, who had a better resume in Nov 2006, Baldomir or Margarito? Who had lost more recently, Baldy or Cheato? Who had defeated better names, had bigger fighters on their resume?

As for Kostya Tszyu, you have to ask him why he didn't want to fight Mayweather, because that's who didn't want the fight.

Your post makes it clear that you simply believe certain things you hear instead of doing the work of looking into why fights happen or don't happen.

No one who knows exactly what happened thinks Mayweather avoided Margarito or Tszyu...because he didn't.

To get back on topic, Pacquiao fighting David Diaz instead of the current unified champion, Nate Campbell, was likely just one more instance of Arum and Manny cherry picking. You can make the argument that because it was in house it was easier to make, but arguing that Diaz was a more legit opponent than Campbell (or others at lightweight) is complete and utter nonsense.

So much nonsense...

So choosing Baldomir over Margarito is fine with you, yet you have an issue with Pacquiao facing David Diaz over Nate Campbell. You can smell the TMT stench a mile away.

Manny needing one of the four is complete BS. 2 of his 8 were lineal titles- 126 and 140. You clearly weren’t following boxing back then little man.

I’m so over this thread kid, so I ain’t gonna go back and forth with you cause it ain’t worth my time, but as I said a lot of people have an agenda.

I think it’s pretty ****** and is borderline delusional to think fighters of the calibre of Pacquiao and Mayweather avoided fighters like Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz, Antonio Margarito etc.

In 2008 Pacquiao fought an ATG great in Marquez and then jumped up 2 weight classes to fight a fellow ATG in De La Hoya, yet we’re supposed to believed he was concerned about facing Nate Campbell. I mean Nate f***ing Campbell of all people. Do you realise how ****** that sounds?

Common sense will prevail for most but... As this thread has proved... idiots will continue to be idiots...

If you wanna believe Pacquiao ducked the legendary Nate Campbell that’s fine with me.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Who do you believe was more of a threat to Pacquiao @ 135 lbs, Campbell or David Diaz?

Neither.................