Pacquiao fans: Why did he fight David Diaz at 135 instead of Nate Campbell?

[koolkc107]

You’re comprehension is terrible.

I said I found it interesting that you didn’t have a problem with Mayweather choosing Gatti over Tszyu and Baldomir over Margarito. Yet had an issue with Pacquiao facing Diaz instead Campbell.

That had nothing to do with lineal titles it was to do with the fact that Tszyu and Margarito are BETTER than Gatti and Baldomir.

You’re saying Pacquiao should have fought Campbell because he was a BETTER opponent than Diaz. Yet have double standards when the roles are reversed.

My opinion is CONSISTENT in stating neither Mayweather or Pacquiao avoided any of those guys.

Why? Because you’re a TMT fanboy nonce and I’m an objective boxing fan.

More bullshyt.

You took a whole day to come up with this?

I'm fine with you running away, son.

Got tired of responding to your garbage anyway, ostrich-boy.

[OnePunch]

first off, people should get it out of their heads that somehow Pac "chose" Diaz over Nate. That never happened. Pac didnt "choose" anyone, Arum did. Thats how promotional contracts work. And Bob chose Diaz because it was the easiest fight to make, and if by some miracle Pac lost, then Bob still had the winner in-house, and under contract.

But then Pac got the Oscar fight, the Hatton fight, and never looked back. Personally I think that had Pac stayed at 135 after Diaz, we would have seen Pac vs Nate within 2 fights, probably right after the Guzman fiasco, or after the Funeka mando (had nate made weight). Don had spoken to bob about it, and there was some interest, but obviously not enough interest for Bob to skip oscar and hatton lol

[daggum]

Easy funnyman.

Sharmba was Floyd's first fight at the weight (true, it was only Sharmba's second at 147 as well). You wanna make the argument that he should have faced Margarito instead, I'll listen but it isn't like Floyd had no right to test the waters instead of trying any of the champions first.

Zab, even coming off of a loss, was ranked higher than Margarito, and still had a belt. Zab was definitely a bigger fight so again understandable if not forgivable by some.

The problem was that Margarito looked like the real deal but his resume to that point was meh.

A win over Kermit Cintron is definitely not better than back to back wins over Judah and Gatti. Getting worked by Daniel Santos less than 2 years prior is not better than no losses in almost a decade.

And, let's not forget that if Arum gives Floyd what he asked for, that fight happens...and Arum gets a much bigger slice than $750,000.

You wanna cry about Floyd not fighting Margarito and pretend it's in any way similar to what happened with Pac cherry picking David Diaz, be my guest.

It isn't tho, no matter how much you try to spin it.

It's revisionist history to regard Margarito as this boogeyman Floyd avoided by fighting Baldomir. It was an awful business decision by Arum that scuttled the fight when it should have happened and Baldomir was a well regarded option at the time.

Hell, given what eventually happened in their respective careers, you could make the argument that at least Baldomir didn't need to cheat to accomplish what he did. Not sure the same could be said about Antonio.

so floyd gets to test the waters against an unranked bum but manny is cherry picking when he fights the #3 ranked guy in his first fight in a new division? caught

zab was not ranked higher than margarito. margarito had a belt too. margarito had a mexican fanbase that floyd coveted.

margarito didnt get worked by santos. that was widely considered a bad decision. the fight also took place at 154 not 147.

lets not forget floyd priced himself out purposefully so he didnt have to fight margarito by asking for a 20 million guarantee to fight hoya as part of the deal. something no promoter would ever give him. proof of this is in the fact that floyd accepted a 10 million guarantee to fight hoya the very next year. oops caught

it was floyd who scuttled the fight not arum. he had 3 chances and he fought sharmba, zab coming off an embarrassing loss, and baldomir. he even had another chance to fight him after marg beat cotto but he didnt.

[daggum]

“Me and Margarito, we’re not fighting to prove to the boxing fans who the best is.”



thats exactly right! floyd and sharmba are fighting to prove who the best is! get um floyd!


"Arum and Diaz say that the 'Pretty Boy' was offered in the neighborhood of $7 million to face Margarito. In what could best be described as a 'business move', the same guy who brazenly challenged the bigger Winky Wright decided to bypass Margarito, to collect nearly $4 million to spar with Sharmba Mitchell.

"Flat turned him down like you can not believe," Arum said of Mayweather when he was offered a chance at the WBO title. "Any time we raised his name, Mayweather went crazy."

have you ever seen someones own promoter call them a coward? and remember this was before floyd left.

[daggum]

floyd is the one who claimed to be all about the money yet when offered 7 million dollars to fight marg he took 4 to fight sharmba instead. how weird. then he fought judah for 5 million instead of marg for 7 million. how weird. then he said he would take the 8 million if arum also gave him 20 for hoya. he later agreed to fight hoya for 10 million. how weird.

[ShoulderRoll]

first off, people should get it out of their heads that somehow Pac "chose" Diaz over Nate. That never happened. Pac didnt "choose" anyone, Arum did. Thats how promotional contracts work. And Bob chose Diaz because it was the easiest fight to make, and if by some miracle Pac lost, then Bob still had the winner in-house, and under contract.

That sounds about right. Arum picking the easier road for Pacquiao.

It's smart business at the end of the day. It would just be nice if his fans would acknowledge it and remember it when they want to criticize other fighters.

[koolkc107]

I know exactly why you (daggum) didn't provide any links for any of this.

You and I know the sources are suspect.

The other thing that was in play here is the deteriorating relationship between Arum and Floyd. This was the beginning of that phase where Floyd didn't want to "put money in Arum's pockets". The fight was actually promoted by Dan Goosen, not Top Rank. And, one of the reasons Sharmba was chosen (in addition to being a way to test the waters at 147) was that he was not an Arum fighter.

In any case, still one more reason why it wasn't Cheato, a reason that has zero to do with avoiding him because of anything he might do in the ring.

The offer that reputable sources cite is the 8 million Arum offered as part of a deal to re-sign Mayweather. It was then that Mayweather asked for 20 million for DLH- which turned out to be more than fair since Floyd later made 25 million against Oscar, not 10 million. He wasn't pricing himself out when he asked that from Arum. He knew what he was worth and had Arum given him the guarantee he'd have made more than the $750,000 buyout he wound up with when Floyd walked.

As I said, a horrible business decision by Arum.

Look at the rankings as of early 2006. You'll see Zab was indeed ranked higher than Margarito.

Again, you're making Margarito out to be this boogeyman when a) Baldomir had actually beat better fighters and b) history has shown us Antonio really wasn't that good without cheating.
Frankly most people with any sense don't even mention Margarito anymore because they understand exactly how desperate your argument has to be to suggest that Floyd should have fought a fraud who turned out to be very ordinary without using concrete in his gloves.

Why do you still have this take?

Frankly, your myopia concerning this situation is bordering on something beyond simple fan dislike.

Stop comparing the situations.

There was a whole lot going on in both of them and none of it was similar.

So yeah, Pacquiao cherry picked Diaz when practically everyone wondered why he wasn't fighting Nate Campbell instead.

And no, Floyd did not cherry pick Baldomir or avoid Margarito. Arum scuttled that fight and Floyd chose an opponent just as highly regarded at the time as Margarito.

[Ritz Kola]

Campbell was the WBA/WBO/IBF lightweight champion of the world in June of 2008.

Why did the Pacquiao camp choose to go after a belt against the much weaker David Diaz instead? Isn't that a cherrypick?

Same reason Pac cherrypicked BUMS like Rios, Algieri, Horn instead of fighting Canelo, Cotto rematch at 154, Bud. He was ducking.

[Ritz Kola]

There you go again with the Pac Fan Boy go to move.

This thread is titled "Pacquiao fans: Why did he fight David Diaz at 135 instead of Nate Campbell"

You see the name "Floyd Mayweather" anywhere in that title?

But, you brought him up anyway, didn't you?

Pathetic.

If you know there was an offer to Margarito, then you should know why the fight didn't happen AND you should know there is no comparison to be made between that situation and the one Pacquiao was in.

So either you are ignorant of the whole story or you are being obtuse on purpose because the whole story doesn't fit the false narrative you're selling.

And no, there weren't negotiations for Campbell- that's exactly the point, you idiot.

There should have been at least a feeler put out if the idea is to fight the best guy possible at the weight.

We know David Diaz WAS NOT that.

But, instead of even floating the idea to Nate Campbell, they made the David Diaz fight BEFORE Pac fought JMM the second time, with Diaz only having to beat Montano (which he had a little difficulty doing, actually).

For the last time, this isn't about "what you don't have a problem with". This isn't about "what Floyd Mayweather did".

This is about Manny Pacquiao and the fact that when faced with the equal opportunity to face David Diaz or Nate Campbell (or even Casamayor as you yourself pointed out), he chose the easiest opponent available.

Again, nothing you've said in this thread refutes that fact or rebuts the question asked in the OP.

So yeah, bury it.

Shut up and so will I.

You're arguing with an A class clown. Dude don't know much about his mother's basement, and he sleeps there everyday. You can't expect him to intelligently talk boxing with you. He's still having ptsd from Floyd winning fighter of the decade and richest athlete of the decade simultaneously.

[koolkc107]

You're arguing with an A class clown. Dude don't know much about his mother's basement, and he sleeps there everyday. You can't expect him to intelligently talk boxing with you. He's still having ptsd from Floyd winning fighter of the decade and richest athlete of the decade simultaneously.

Yeah, I was glad he finally STFU.

Of course, the PacToid relay race continued with another fanboy picking up the baton he dropped.

And heaven forbid we discuss some of the names you just rattled off.

With all the mental gymnastics they are going through to explain Diaz, heaven forbid they have to explain Rios, or Algieri, or Horn, or...