What heavyweights in history are actually considered ATGs like ALI

[creekrat77]

Marciano
Joe Louis
George Foreman
Evander Holyfield
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
Wlad
Fury
Joe Frazier

[TonyGe]

Who did Mike Tyson beat to become an ATG?

I said they have a long way to go. All three of those guys are still active. Wilder and AJ both have losses. Fury has only 29 fights in his career. Tyson had 37 before his first loss. Who have they beat?? Seriously Klitschko was 39 years old when he fought Fury. Let's see how their careers play out before comparing them to Mike Tyson.

[Marchegiano]

Mike Tyson defended the undisputed crown nine times. That makes him the third most defended undisputed champion in heavyweight boxing history, behind Louis and Ali.


@ What do Tyson be ATG fer?


****in' mooks.

[The plunger man]

Tyson Fury????? Wilder??? ... AJ??
Those guys are quite a ways away from ATG status right now.

At last a guy with common sense and normal thinking.
Joshua will need to redeem himself win against fury and defend his titles against at least 3 top contenders to be considered that.
Tyson fury will need to beat Joshua and also beat a few of the young guns also and then we can say yeah he is up there.
But not yet and if Tyson loses to Joshua there are going to be a lot of fans with egg on there face and looking pretty ******

[ShaneMosleySr]

Holyfield is one of five fighters to win the lineal championship multiple times. He’s a four time heavyweight champion.

His resume isn’t built on what he did at cruiserweight.

Yes, Holyfield lost to Moorer. He also knocked out Moorer in the rematch. The first fight was close and Moorer is a great fighter.

Spinks was a blown up middleweight... who was also a former undisputed light heavyweight champion... who beat one of the greatest heavyweights ever, when he was undefeated, to win the title.

LMAO. The same Holyfield that lost to Moorer that was knocked out by a 45 y/o Foreman?

Holyfield isn't top 5 when it comes to his HW resume. He made up for it with his cruiserweight resume. And he was on HGH.

Spinks was a blown up middleweight. Holmes took that fight on 1 month notice after being out for almost 3 yrs. And he was like 40.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Fury beat Klitschko while he was on a historic run and considered unbeatable. Spin it however you want.

Wilder will be in the hall of fame, so that should be considered a great win for Fury.

Klitschko’s resume is very comparable to Ali and it’s very clear that Ali isn’t the best heavyweight ever. He’s in the second place discussion along with everyone else behind Joe Louis

Klitschko had a much longer and more dominant title reign than Ali.

Ali was one of the least dominate fighters to ever be argued as the best ever and I don’t even understand how it’s an argument. There are two fighters from Ali’s own era who arguably were screwed out of decision wins against him and might even be better fighters than him. A third from that same era, who did lose to Ali, has an argument that he ranks higher overall in the all time list.

So yes, Ali has bigger names on his resume and that’s the whole argument for him. But he’s clearly just another name behind Joe Louis to be placed somewhere.

I also have to ask how you don’t think Gene Tunney is an all-time great? He definitely is.

In my opinion all-time great means top 10 all-time in your weight-class.

So, all-time greats are guys who could credibly be considered all-time top 10.

For heavyweights that's

Ali
Louis
Lennox
Holmes
Marciano
Holyfield
Klitchko
Liston
Frazier
Foreman
Dempsey
Jack Johnson

Virtually any list of top 10 HW's all-time will have combination of these guys on there.

They are the consensus all-time greats.

No one fighting right now has a shot to supplant any of the guys on this list.









Tyson Fury has 2 notable wins his entire career.

A 40 year old Klitschko.

Deontay Wilder, who may be an all-time puncher, is no where near all-time great.

Nobody else on his resume is even good, much less great.

And there's no way Klitschko's resume is as good as Ali's that has 4 Olympic gold medalists on it and 3 all-time great HW either in their prime or near it and a ton of Hall of
Famers like Norton, Patterson, and Moore.

[BM dnobagaV]

No, Fury ain't anywhere near ATG. His resume is dirt-poor.

Maybe beat Joshua, Whyte, and a good young-gun and that'll get him in.

[HOUDINI563]

Fury is very far from an ATG. What makes a truly great fighter has been convoluted over time. I laugh at the mess of a fighter that is Fury. An awkward, overweight mess. Yet his fans think he beats Joe Louis.

Incompetent fans cheer for incompetent fighters.

[The D3vil]

Fury beat Klitschko while he was on a historic run and considered unbeatable. Spin it however you want.

Wilder will be in the hall of fame, so that should be considered a great win for Fury.

Klitschko’s resume is very comparable to Ali and it’s very clear that Ali isn’t the best heavyweight ever. He’s in the second place discussion along with everyone else behind Joe Louis

Klitschko had a much longer and more dominant title reign than Ali.

Ali was one of the least dominate fighters to ever be argued as the best ever and I don’t even understand how it’s an argument. There are two fighters from Ali’s own era who arguably were screwed out of decision wins against him and might even be better fighters than him. A third from that same era, who did lose to Ali, has an argument that he ranks higher overall in the all time list.

So yes, Ali has bigger names on his resume and that’s the whole argument for him. But he’s clearly just another name behind Joe Louis to be placed somewhere.

I also have to ask how you don’t think Gene Tunney is an all-time great? He definitely is.

Vlad definitely was not thought of as "unstoppable" in late 2015. Bryant Jennings gave him trouble. Bryant . . . . Jennings. The writing was on the wall.

And we don't know that Wilder will be in the Hall of Fame. He's only beaten 1 former champion in Stiverne. That's it. Wilder needs to beat both Fury & Joshua, or stay around long enough to beat the next great HW class to get in the Hall of Fame.

Dude, Ali beat 3 of the 10 consensus ATG heavyweights without controversy. Liston, Frazier, and Foreman. His win against Foreman is arguably the greatest win of all-time. He beat 4 Olympic Gold Medalists.

Now, I agree that the old mid '70s version of Ali might have gotten some decisions, but so did old Joe Louis against Jersey Joe Walcott.

Hell, Tyson Fury's win against John McDermott was seen as so fraudulent that the judges all lost their jobs.

And I do agree that Gene Tunney's an ATG. I forgot to put him on the list. My bad.

[Marchegiano]

I also have to ask how you don’t think Gene Tunney is an all-time great? He definitely is.

And I do agree that Gene Tunney's an ATG. I forgot to put him on the list. My bad.

Why is Gene Tunney looked at as a great or borderline great heavyweight? He beat Dempsey twice. Dempsey was coming off a three year layoff and wouldn't even fight his number one contender. So what is it about Tunney? I've seen him ranked as a top 20 heavyweight and in some instances a top 10.

As a lightheavyweight he is arguably the best.....at the very least top 5. At heavyweight though.......what did he do?

The decisions against Greb are dubious at best. Most historians that researched the newspaper articles have it at 2-2-1. But that is neither here nor there. Micheal Spinks has a crazy good record at LHW and beat Holmes twice. We never hear about him being an ATG heavyweight though.in fact, he actually has a better heavyweight resume if you look at it objectively. No

Why are we ranking him against heavyweights to begin with? I'm not arguing his skills, just like I'm not arguing the skills of Spinks or Charles, who often if not always are ranked behind Tunney on ATG heavyweight lists. I just don't see what makes him a better ranking than these guys. I'm not saying he's not a great fighter...of course he is. But to be a top 10 or 20 ATG HEAVYWEIGHT.......I just don't see it.

I think Jab's right boys. Tunney isn't much of a great heavyweight champion.