Comments Thread For: Haney: Correct Thing To Say Was I Wouldn't Lose To Anybody; You Live & You Learn

[Goldie]

True, but sadly the 'race victim' card is never far away. Most whites acknowledge without a problem that there are ALWAYS pockets of daft racists among us but I don't think the same is true for darker skinned communities, yet it should be. Sometimes it feels like one-way traffic.

Its not about “pockets of racists amongst white people”. It’s about an entire system in place that gives whites a s a whole privilege over blacks as a whole. When you look at the structural racism in everything from public education to the court system, that’s about more than just individual white people being racist. There’s no such system in place to privilege “darker skinned non white” communities. Y’all desperately want to push this false equivocation sht and it’s the epitome of cowardice. You don’t even have decency to own your bs.

Btw, nobody plays the “race card” more than white people. If you let white people tell it, they’re actually the ones being oppressed lol.

[Real King Kong]

Haney said that he’d never let a white boy beat him. He didn’t say that white fighters were inferior to black fighters. He said that he himself wouldn’t lose to a white fighter. Why does that offend y’all so much? Is it because you’re afraid it’s true?

Btw, fk your white man definition of racism. Allowing whites to define “racism” is like allowing trump to determine the definition of a “lie”. There’s only one form of systematic discrimination in the west and it’s white supremacy. Everything else is a deflection.

It doesn’t offend me at all...I’m not concerned with other people’s ignorance. It’s about you picking and choosing what to call racism and what not too.

“The definition of the word doesn’t suit me, so I’ll move the goalposts to better suit my agenda”...very trump like, I must say.

[Marvlus Marv]

It’s not that it isn’t acknowledged, but there are many who feel it’s justified due to the past and the racism that still exists. These types of people are unwittingly standing in the way of the forward momentum of their own cause.

To say there hasn’t been a vast improvement over the years is willful ignorance. Trying to push some type of “payback” agenda, or saying hatred of whites is justified, only serves to derail the work of real activists. Ideologically, these types couldn’t be further from the civil rights leaders they like to quote.

At the end of the day, it’s a personal choice whether to focus on what’s what at the present moment and try to improve on that, or to focus on where things fall short and find someone to blame for it. Stewing in bitterness never helped anyone achieve anything.

Good post amd 100% agree. Being a race victim when you're really not is a terrible illness that prevents progress.

[Marvlus Marv]

Its not about “pockets of racists amongst white people”. It’s about an entire system in place that gives whites a s a whole privilege over blacks as a whole. When you look at the structural racism in everything from public education to the court system, that’s about more than just individual white people being racist. There’s no such system in place to privilege “darker skinned non white” communities. Y’all desperately want to push this false equivocation sht and it’s the epitome of cowardice. You don’t even have decency to own your bs.

Btw, nobody plays the “race card” more than white people. If you let white people tell it, they’re actually the ones being oppressed lol.

Man, you're in denial. I know how racist some black people are, not just towards whites, but you acknowledge nothing. People like you will ALWAYS be justifying your own misery and ignorance - just like white racists do. You're angry and probably racist because you have a victim mentality. It's a cliche. And another thing: most of your 'black' culture is geared towards attaining what rich white people have i.e fast car, huge house, designer clothes and so on. Don't you see the irony? I never see black Americans paying homage to African culture that they pretend to be so proud about. You'd rather have a Ferrari and Gucci suit. Tell me I'm lying.

[Goldie]

It doesn’t offend me at all...I’m not concerned with other people’s ignorance. It’s about you picking and choosing what to call racism and what not too.

“The definition of the word doesn’t suit me, so I’ll move the goalposts to better suit my agenda”...very trump like, I must say.

It‘s not about suiting me it’s about accuracy. I’ve explained why that dictionary definition of “racism” isn’t accurate and how it’s better to define racism as systematic oppression.

You’re basically saying that Haney’s comment equates to the police forces and the justice department being racist/corrupt amongst the many other examples of the structural discrimination based on race that has always shaped American society. I’m saying that’s a ****** argument that only a person who supports the structural racism would make.

It makes perfect sense though. Of course as someone who wants to maintain white supremacy, you’re going to argue that Haney’s comment is the same as American black men being subjected to mass incarceration. Of course you’re going to pretend that Haney’s comment which you’ve already acknowledged doesn’t even offend you let alone oppress you, is the same as there being 2 different sets of “justice” for black and white people. That’s very white supremacist-like.

Man, you're in denial. I know how racist some black people are, not just towards whites, but you acknowledge nothing.

I acknowledge facts, not bullsht. You’re talking bullsht. To prove me wrong, all you have to do is give one example of American blacks oppressing anyone due to their race. Should be simple enough since you just claimed to know how American blacks are racist towards others.

People like you will ALWAYS be justifying your own misery and ignorance - just like white racists do. You're angry and probably racist because you have a victim mentality. It's a cliche.

I’m not miserable in the least lol. I’m also clearly not ignorant. I’ve probably forgotten more knowledge than your ****** ass has learned in your whole life. You sound like one of these ashy feet white a$$ kissing Africans. YOU’RE about misery?

If you want to hear a “victim mentality” then just listen to white people because that’s all they do is cry about being victimized.

And another thing: most of your 'black' culture is geared towards attaining what rich white people have i.e fast car, huge house, designer clothes and so on. Don't you see the irony? I never see black Americans paying homage to African culture that they pretend to be so proud about. You'd rather have a Ferrari and Gucci suit. Tell me I'm lying.

You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. The bold is an obvious contradiction. If you’ve seen American blacks saying that they’re proud of their African ancestry then that is paying homage.

We’re American though, not African. We were born and raised here in America which is a very materialistic culture. It is what it is. There are some black Americans who like to try and identify with African cultures but most don’t because there’s not a lot of reaching out done by Africans. Never has been. We got kidnapped and Africans just basically wrote us off. Then they immigrate here to reap the benefits after we’ve built America up to be the richest nation in world history, while looking down at us. The nerve of you talking about “victim mentality” in regards to black Americans. You deserve a slap to the mouth for that.

Personally, I don’t see anything to be proud of in Africa over the last 500-600 years. Being like Africans is the last thing that black Americans need to do from what I can see. You call us materialistic but I see a lot of materialism over in Africa too. People driving European/asian cars in towns with no/sparse running water. Women wearing weaves and bleaching their skin living in countries that over 90% black and most of the people in poverty. Skin bleaching is an epidemic in certain parts of Africa. The Chinese are basically recolonizing whole countries in Africa.

Nah, black Americans would be going backwards following Africans. The spirit is still broken there.

[Real King Kong]

It‘s not about suiting me it’s about accuracy. I’ve explained why that dictionary definition of “racism” isn’t accurate and how it’s better to define racism as systematic oppression.

You’re basically saying that Haney’s comment equates to the police forces and the justice department being racist/corrupt amongst the many other examples of the structural discrimination based on race that has always shaped American society. I’m saying that’s a ****** argument that only a person who supports the structural racism would make.

It makes perfect sense though. Of course as someone who wants to maintain white supremacy, you’re going to argue that Haney’s comment is the same as American black men being subjected to mass incarceration. Of course you’re going to pretend that Haney’s comment which you’ve already acknowledged doesn’t even offend you let alone oppress you, is the same as there being 2 different sets of “justice” for black and white people. That’s very white supremacist-like. I acknowledge facts, not bullsht. You’re talking bullsht. To prove me wrong, all you have to do is give one example of American blacks oppressing anyone due to their race. Should be simple enough since you just claimed to know how American blacks are racist towards others.

Who was equating anything to anything else? You laid out this false equivalence argument as a straw man.

You won’t even acknowledge the notion that haney’s comment could be considered racist at all, and presented an alternate definition of “racism” to support that argument. I explained the context where haney’s comments could be considered racist by definition of the word. Your answer is, “that’s the white man dictionary definition”, followed by pasty white this...trump that...white supremacy...and so on.

[Goldie]

Who was equating anything to anything else? You laid out this false equivalence argument as a straw man.

You won’t even acknowledge the notion that haney’s comment could be considered racist at all, and presented an alternate definition of “racism” to support that argument. I explained the context where haney’s comments could be considered racist by definition of the word. Your answer is, “that’s the white man dictionary definition”, followed by pasty white this...trump that...white supremacy...and so on.

Ok, so basically we’re just dealing with a basic lack of general intelligence. So sad.

Look man, when you justify calling Haney’s comments “racist”, equating it with systematic oppression is exactly what you’re doing. Even judging by your dictionary definition, Haney’s comment wouldn’t qualify.

Racism:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3 : racial prejudice or discrimination

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

There’s no way to infer any of that from Haney’s comments without assuming and reaching. Y’all continue to prove my point. The biggest complainers and the people who play victim the most aren’t black people, and not by a long shot.

[Real King Kong]

Ok, so basically we’re just dealing with a basic lack of general intelligence. So sad.

Look man, when you justify calling Haney’s comments “racist”, equating it with systematic oppression is exactly what you’re doing. Even judging by your dictionary definition, Haney’s comment wouldn’t qualify.

Racism:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3 : racial prejudice or discrimination

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

There’s no way to infer any of that from Haney’s comments without assuming and reaching. Y’all continue to prove my point. The biggest complainers and the people who play victim the most aren’t black people, and not by a long shot.

Lack of general intelligence? Kinda like dismissing one person’s feelings toward a subject, while demanding validation of your own?

Suddenly the “white man dictionary” is useful lol. Only when you skip past the first definition I suppose.

[Marvlus Marv]

It‘s not about suiting me it’s about accuracy. I’ve explained why that dictionary definition of “racism” isn’t accurate and how it’s better to define racism as systematic oppression.

You’re basically saying that Haney’s comment equates to the police forces and the justice department being racist/corrupt amongst the many other examples of the structural discrimination based on race that has always shaped American society. I’m saying that’s a ****** argument that only a person who supports the structural racism would make.

It makes perfect sense though. Of course as someone who wants to maintain white supremacy, you’re going to argue that Haney’s comment is the same as American black men being subjected to mass incarceration. Of course you’re going to pretend that Haney’s comment which you’ve already acknowledged doesn’t even offend you let alone oppress you, is the same as there being 2 different sets of “justice” for black and white people. That’s very white supremacist-like. I acknowledge facts, not bullsht. You’re talking bullsht. To prove me wrong, all you have to do is give one example of American blacks oppressing anyone due to their race. Should be simple enough since you just claimed to know how American blacks are racist towards others.

I’m not miserable in the least lol. I’m also clearly not ignorant. I’ve probably forgotten more knowledge than your ****** ass has learned in your whole life. You sound like one of these ashy feet white a$$ kissing Africans. YOU’RE about misery?

If you want to hear a “victim mentality” then just listen to white people because that’s all they do is cry about being victimized.


You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. The bold is an obvious contradiction. If you’ve seen American blacks saying that they’re proud of their African ancestry then that is paying homage.

We’re American though, not African. We were born and raised here in America which is a very materialistic culture. It is what it is. There are some black Americans who like to try and identify with African cultures but most don’t because there’s not a lot of reaching out done by Africans. Never has been. We got kidnapped and Africans just basically wrote us off. Then they immigrate here to reap the benefits after we’ve built America up to be the richest nation in world history, while looking down at us. The nerve of you talking about “victim mentality” in regards to black Americans. You deserve a slap to the mouth for that.

Personally, I don’t see anything to be proud of in Africa over the last 500-600 years. Being like Africans is the last thing that black Americans need to do from what I can see. You call us materialistic but I see a lot of materialism over in Africa too. People driving European/asian cars in towns with no/sparse running water. Women wearing weaves and bleaching their skin living in countries that over 90% black and most of the people in poverty. Skin bleaching is an epidemic in certain parts of Africa. The Chinese are basically recolonizing whole countries in Africa.

Nah, black Americans would be going backwards following Africans. The spirit is still broken there.

Now you are freaking out and over-compensating for not accepting a simple truth - that there are many blacks that are racist, too.
And don't tell me you don't chase the same dreams as the rich whites you despise? Look at rap culture - it's ALL about dollar bills, fast sports cars, mansions, designer Italian and French clothes etc. None of these things are of African culture, my friend.
According to you, only whites can be racist.
That's just plain sad.
Sticking with boxing, remind me what Hopkins said to Calzaghe? Keep it short and concise if you even bother answering. I don't need to read a boring azz speech.

[Goldie]

Lack of general intelligence? Kinda like dismissing one person’s feelings toward a subject, while demanding validation of your own?

This is an obvious lie. Anybody that has read my posts here can see that I don’t post for anybody else’s validation. I don’t need you to validate the truth and I even explained why you don’t. Of course you’re going to lie. You have no credibility. You can’t validate anything.

That’s why I dismiss your feelings. You’ve already admitted that you weren’t even offended let alone oppressed by Haney’s comment, but here you are calling his comments racist just so you can play this tit for tat game and push this false equivalence because it serves as a deflection to real racism. “See, blacks are racist too. Racism goes both ways”

Suddenly the “white man dictionary” is useful lol. Only when you skip past the first definition I suppose.

When you use a person’s own evidence against them to prove your point while disapproving their point, it’s always useful. I didn’t skip past anything. I posted the full definition as it appears in Webster. I put the last 2 definitions in bold because those are the definitions that you’ve been skipping past. You accused me of using “alternative definitions” when the definitions I’ve been using are right there in your own dictionary. Even when looking at that first simple/general definition of the word, Haney’s comments wouldn’t qualify. You’re wrong all the way around. You just don’t have the character/integrity to acknowledge it. It’s not your fault though, it’s inherent.

Now you are freaking out and over-compensating for not accepting a simple truth - that there are many blacks that are racist, too.

I know the truth hurts but we can keep this simple. All you’ve go to do is cite some proof. What is your evidence that blacks in America are racist to non blacks? What Hopkins said to Calzaghe? What do I or any other black person have to do with Hopkins said? How was Calzaghe and other white people discriminated against or oppressed by what Hopkins said? I don’t want to hear your kuhn rhetoric and talking points about black Americans. Just show proof of what you’re accusing us of.