Is Ray Robinson the G.O.A.T why or why not?

[Blue54]

Pls give valid reasons for your opinions.

[anonymous2.0]

I love Ray Robinson but he ain't the G.O.A.T, that honor belongs to Floyd Mayweather

[boliodogs]

Pls give valid reasons for your opinions.

He probably is the best if you judge him as a welterweight. He won about 80 fights at 147 with no losses and I think 2 draws. At welterweight and all around he might be the best of all time. I don't think he was the best middleweight of all time. he lost lots of fights at 160 to lots of other middleweights. It was not his best weight and he was a smaller middleweight. Not short but on the light side. In middleweight title fights i think his record is 8 wins, 6 losses and a draw. not bad but not the best. So i will go along with him being the best all around fighter of all time and the best welterweight of all time but not the best middleweight of all time. Go to boxrec and check his record if you want. he has lots of losses at 160 and not all of them when he was past prime. Ralph Jones beat him by one sided ud when he was 32 years old for instance.

[Marchegiano]

I'm a Floyd guy.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Based on resume? I’d say yes.

It’s so hard to pick out one above all the other greats though.

[Get em up]

I love Ray Robinson but he ain't the G.O.A.T, that honor belongs to Floyd Mayweather

I rather enjoy the flip flop on both threads. Not sure what the point is but I could see how it sparks debate for days on both threads

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

He probably is the best if you judge him as a welterweight. He won about 80 fights at 147 with no losses and I think 2 draws. At welterweight and all around he might be the best of all time. I don't think he was the best middleweight of all time. he lost lots of fights at 160 to lots of other middleweights. It was not his best weight and he was a smaller middleweight. Not short but on the light side. In middleweight title fights i think his record is 8 wins, 6 losses and a draw. not bad but not the best. So i will go along with him being the best all around fighter of all time and the best welterweight of all time but not the best middleweight of all time. Go to boxrec and check his record if you want. he has lots of losses at 160 and not all of them when he was past prime. Ralph Jones beat him by one sided ud when he was 32 years old for instance.

32 in those days was very different to 32 today though, just based on sports science, frequency of fights, lifestyle etc. He wasn’t close to his peak at that point.

I’m unsure if he could beat the natural ATG middleweights like Hagler and Monzon too.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I love Ray Robinson but he ain't the G.O.A.T, that honor belongs to Floyd Mayweather

I'm a Floyd guy.

What’s your criteria?

I think Floyd is definitely in the conversation but the resume doesn’t stack up for me.

I think he played the game the best if you get what I mean- always lived the life, never bothered with drink or drugs, retired in good health with unprecedented earnings.

He lacks a win over an ATG fighter in his prime, I look at SRL he has Hearns, Duran, Benítez. I don’t feel Floyd ever reached those same sort of heights. Canelo was probably the closest he came, which was a great win.

If it’s largely based on his talent, and the eye test, that’s cool. I rate Roy very high for similar reasons.

[GhostofDempsey]

It's difficult to quantify the #1 guy. Arguments can be made for Robinson, Pep, Moore, Charles, Greb, Duran, and several others.

[ShaneMosleySr]

The GOAT is always up for debate but it’s definitely someone from the era where there was only one champion and only 8 weight classes.

All the accomplishments in the 17 division, 3/4 belt eras are watered down in comparison. That’s just math and that’s before considering how much more protected these fighters are now and how much less they fight.

I think Robinson is definitely a fair pick and I’ll refer to him as the best ever sometimes because it seems the historians are in line with that. Joe Louis is the one who makes me pause when I say that and as I mentioned before there are a few you can reasonably pick.

Robinson won 91 fights in a row, had multiple win streaks that any fighter would be envious of and won five world titles.

It’s also worth noting he didn’t even get a shot at a championship until his 75th professional fight and he served in the military.

If he had fought in modern times, Robinson would have won titles in at least seven different weight divisions, multiple times over and he wouldn’t have lost all those years of his prime. He probably would have retired before he was in decline (and still winning titles), which he didn’t do.