Comments Thread For: Amir Khan: We All Know Joshua is A-Side, But Fury is No. 1 at Weight

[Roberto Vasquez]

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You cannot guarantee anything. You can speculate and that’s fine but you and I are outsiders looking in. Neither of us can guarantee anything.

Once again, I am not comparing Floyd’s resume to Fury. I am merely comparing where they both were at 30 years of age. A thing a lot of boxing analysts do before forming a conclusion.

Fury at 30 has made more money than Floyd at 30.
Fury at 30 is more famous than Floyd was at 30.
Fury at 30 has a whole country tuning to see him fight than Floyd at 30.
Fury is the top 5 biggest name in boxing at 30. Floyd was not.
Fury only needs to fight and win 10 more fights to be considered an ATG (that’s something debatable).

Now that I’ve clarified that, I’ll say it again, never once did I compare Fury’s career to Floyd’s.

With all those facts behind Fury, is there any doubt that he’s on the way to being one of the highest paid boxers ever?

But who cares about money? It's good for the boxer if they are rich but how does it benefit the fans? It just means they have to pay more to see the fights

I honestly don't know how much money Tyson Fury has. And I have never googled to find out. I also have no idea if Fury is more famous than Mayweather at 30 or the other way round. I don't really care who is more famous.

All I am interested in - is fighters who want to take on the best, and who if they lose try to improve themselves and come back and do better. That's why I respect someone like Chisora. He is ranked well below Fury but has taken on high quality opponents almost every fight. Because of that we *know* how good Chisora is. Fury we don't really know yet.

[Roberto Vasquez]

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Boxing is an individual sport. It’s a one on one challenge. If your toe is broken, don’t fight. If your rotator cuff is torn don’t fight. If you have any injury, don’t fight. It’s that simple.

You are in an even playing field so if you get beat stop making excuses. Accept your loss and move on.

Wladimir got beat. Period.
I am a fan of Wladimir and wouldn’t count him out despite his loss and his age. However, Fury beat him. Fury also beat Wilder, twice.

Yes it's an individual sport. But you only get to fight opponents maybe once or twice. If you are lucky 3 times. Just because one guy wins on one particular day doesn't mean he will win on another day. Ali got put down and lost to Frazier first fight then beat him the next 2 fights.

Ali also lost to Leon Spinks and Trevor Berbick at the end of his career and retired. Much like how a faded Wlad lost to Fury and AJ.

[Oregonian]

But who cares about money? It's good for the boxer if they are rich but how does it benefit the fans? It just means they have to pay more to see the fights

I honestly don't know how much money Tyson Fury has. And I have never googled to find out. I also have no idea if Fury is more famous than Mayweather at 30 or the other way round. I don't really care who is more famous.

All I am interested in - is fighters who want to take on the best, and who if they lose try to improve themselves and come back and do better. That's why I respect someone like Chisora. He is ranked well below Fury but has taken on high quality opponents almost every fight. Because of that we *know* how good Chisora is. Fury we don't really know yet.

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This whole debate started with you discrediting Fury’s marketability and PPV numbers and I poured out a comparison to Floyd at the same age in his career.
Now you’re singing a different tune that you don’t care about money.

Which is it? His paycheck and PPV numbers or his resume??

[Oregonian]

Yes it's an individual sport. But you only get to fight opponents maybe once or twice. If you are lucky 3 times. Just because one guy wins on one particular day doesn't mean he will win on another day. Ali got put down and lost to Frazier first fight then beat him the next 2 fights.

Ali also lost to Leon Spinks and Trevor Berbick at the end of his career and retired. Much like how a faded Wlad lost to Fury and AJ.

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Ali-Frazier was a rivalry unlike any we’ve seen. All were great fights.
Fury beat Wilder twice. Having a third fight is just a legality that Wilder has exercised, bottom line it’s a pointless fight. Comparing Ali-Frazier to Fury-Wilder is asinine and also shows a lack of boxing understanding on your part.

Two, Ali was way past his prime when he fought Spinks or Berbick or even Holmes.
Wladimir was not a d was a game fighter the whole fight until he got clipped. He almost ended AJ.

Wilder is no Frazier and will get beat a third time. Wilder’s career is pretty much over. Sure he’ll fight on but merely as a gate keeper in the division.

[Roberto Vasquez]

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Ali-Frazier was a rivalry unlike any we’ve seen. All were great fights.
Fury beat Wilder twice. Having a third fight is just a legality that Wilder has exercised, bottom line it’s a pointless fight. Comparing Ali-Frazier to Fury-Wilder is asinine and also shows a lack of boxing understanding on your part.

Two, Ali was way past his prime when he fought Spinks or Berbick or even Holmes.
Wladimir was not a d was a game fighter the whole fight until he got clipped. He almost ended AJ.

Wilder is no Frazier and will get beat a third time. Wilder’s career is pretty much over. Sure he’ll fight on but merely as a gate keeper in the division.

So what happens if Wilder beats Fury in the third fight? It won't seem like a pointless fight then. If you don't think Wilder has a chance you are kidding yourself. Trust me Fury is going to be training very hard for that fight and if he doesn't he will be hitting the canvas again. He's already been there twice!

The Wlad who fight Aj was a different fighter because he threw caution to the wind and went for the win. You don't understand Wlad. Fury understood him. He got into Wlad's head in the build up and played on his cautious side. Which was why Wlad never went for it until the final round when it was too late. Also that's why Fury ran from the rematch - because Fury knew the spell was broken

And Wlad was old for both the Fury and AJ fights. He wasn't prime Wlad in either.

[Roberto Vasquez]

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This whole debate started with you discrediting Fury’s marketability and PPV numbers and I poured out a comparison to Floyd at the same age in his career.
Now you’re singing a different tune that you don’t care about money.

Which is it? His paycheck and PPV numbers or his resume??

Uh? Please quote me where I mentioned his paycheck and PPV number lol. I don't even know them so not sure how I could do that!

I only care about his resume. Why would anyone care about his PPV and paycheck???

[Oregonian]

So what happens if Wilder beats Fury in the third fight? It won't seem like a pointless fight then. If you don't think Wilder has a chance you are kidding yourself. Trust me Fury is going to be training very hard for that fight and if he doesn't he will be hitting the canvas again. He's already been there twice!

The Wlad who fight Aj was a different fighter because he threw caution to the wind and went for the win. You don't understand Wlad. Fury understood him. He got into Wlad's head in the build up and played on his cautious side. Which was why Wlad never went for it until the final round when it was too late. Also that's why Fury ran from the rematch - because Fury knew the spell was broken

And Wlad was old for both the Fury and AJ fights. He wasn't prime Wlad in either.

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If Wilder beats Fury then it won’t be pointless. I’ve answered your question without playing hypothetical angles.

You on the other hand, after watching Wilder get beat twice and getting stopped in the 2nd are still dismissive of Wilder because you don’t like him. No other reason.
Fury already trained hard for the rematch and destroyed Wilder so I don’t doubt he’s training hard. Not sure why you state the obvious.

You’re still making excuses for Wlad. He got beat. Period.
He then got knocked out by AJ. Had he beaten AJ I’m pretty certain Fury would entertain a 2nd fight.

How was Wlad not prime? He was a dominant champ and had not lost in more than a dozen fights, crashing everyone he met right until Fury dented his run. He was also the lineal champion.

Why do you keep making excuses for Wlad and Wilder? They both got beat.
Wilder got rematched and got destroyed.

I’ll find you after the third fight once Wilder gets KO’d again just to hear your thoughts though

[Oregonian]

Uh? Please quote me where I mentioned his paycheck and PPV number lol. I don't even know them so not sure how I could do that!

I only care about his resume. Why would anyone care about his PPV and paycheck???

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Maybe I am mistaken. I’ll go back to this thread.

[Oregonian]

Uh? Please quote me where I mentioned his paycheck and PPV number lol. I don't even know them so not sure how I could do that!

I only care about his resume. Why would anyone care about his PPV and paycheck???

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Maybe I am mistaken. I’ll go back to this thread.

[Roberto Vasquez]

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If Wilder beats Fury then it won’t be pointless. I’ve answered your question without playing hypothetical angles.

You on the other hand, after watching Wilder get beat twice and getting stopped in the 2nd are still dismissive of Wilder because you don’t like him. No other reason.
Fury already trained hard for the rematch and destroyed Wilder so I don’t doubt he’s training hard. Not sure why you state the obvious.

You’re still making excuses for Wlad. He got beat. Period.
He then got knocked out by AJ. Had he beaten AJ I’m pretty certain Fury would entertain a 2nd fight.

How was Wlad not prime? He was a dominant champ and had not lost in more than a dozen fights, crashing everyone he met right until Fury dented his run. He was also the lineal champion.

Why do you keep making excuses for Wlad and Wilder? They both got beat.
Wilder got rematched and got destroyed.

I’ll find you after the third fight once Wilder gets KO’d again just to hear your thoughts though

Exactly so not pointless. If Fury does lose everyone is going to be saying Fury is finished. I guarantee it and they will say "Who did he beat anyway?" and "that's why he always fought boxers outside the top-20".. One fight can change everything.

I don't what you are talking about dude. I think you constantly have me mixed up with someone else. I don't dislike Wilder. I quite like him. I just try to tell the truth about fighters - Wilder is a good fighter and he isn't finished but he wasn't the best fighter in the division either. Who did he beat? Some good old fighters but no one young and top-level.

Wlad deserved a rematch straight away. Anyone can lose a fight on the night.

How can Wlad have been prime? He retired the next fight. I thought you know your boxing. What fighter is at their prime and then retires???