Terence Crawford refuses to be B side vs Errol Spence

[ShoulderRoll]

That means nothing. They are both at the same level in terms of stardom. Not household names. They are known in the boxing community but other than that, nobody gives a **** ass about them. This whole a side b side **** is lame anyways. Always was, even when Floyd said it. It’s used as an excuse then, and used as an excuse now.

You don't have to like the A-side B-side stuff. You can just want to see fights get made. Which is fine.

But Spence and Crawford are not on the same level of stardom. You can judge that by their tv ratings and by their PPV sales, as it has always been done.

[Thuglife Nelo]

LOL when Joshua was making the offers wilder refused and started demanding 50-50 wilder had never even had a PPV.

Anyway Fury sold those PPV's not Wilder cuz Wilders only other PPV flopped. His track record of PPV's isn't long and isn't very impressive. Joshua has an amazing PPV track record.

Don't resort to lying now. Fury could only sell 3,577 tickets for the Otto Wallin fight. He wasn't much of a draw on his own.

The fact is that Wilder's PPV track record in the US craps on Anthony Joshua's.

So the logic remains consistent.

I don’t even need to reply to them, just leaving that out there. Wilder was nothing when he had those offers. Now they are going to push the timeline excuses like he was already selling PPV.

It’s pretty simple, if you are telling Spence off in this thread then you are a fanboy, that’s if you are one of the posters who backed Wilder turning down offers and claiming he should get 50-50 at that time.

Daneutral made some very very good points about the hypocrisy regarding PBC fan logic. I was even enjoying a bit of ShoulderRoll’s posts acknowledging Spence’s proven profitability over Crawford with PPV, but then some posters don’t want to acknowledge that AJ was always the A side back in 2017.

Unless Wilder purists can prove that the American Dollar is SIGNIFICANTLY more than a QUID when it comes to venue sales then we can have a debate. The 02 Arena for Wlad vs AJ and all it’s noise as well as all the people on camera easily surpasses a Wilder event before the Ortiz fights.

All this proven theory shows that AJ was always the A side before Wilder’s PPV. The guy even had more belts as ShoulderRoll explains it for Spence.

[ShoulderRoll]

Daneutral made some very very good points about the hypocrisy regarding PBC fan logic. I was even enjoying a bit of ShoulderRoll’s posts acknowledging Spence’s proven profitability over Crawford with PPV, but then some posters don’t want to acknowledge that AJ was always the A side back in 2017.

Unless Wilder purists can prove that the American Dollar is SIGNIFICANTLY more than a QUID when it comes to venue sales then we can have a debate. The 02 Arena for Wlad vs AJ and all it’s noise as well as all the people on camera easily surpasses a Wilder event before the Ortiz fights.

All this proven theory shows that AJ was always the A side before Wilder’s PPV. The guy even had more belts as ShoulderRoll explains it for Spence.

Check the American television ratings for Wilder and compare them to Joshua's.

Based on that Wilder would deserve the vast majority of the American PPV pot. Joshua could have the vast majority of the British PPV pot.

Or they could just have done a 50/50 split and called it a day.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Check the American television ratings for Wilder and compare them to Joshua's.

Based on that Wilder would deserve the vast majority of the American PPV pot. Joshua could have the vast majority of the British PPV pot.

Or they could just have done a 50/50 split and called it a day.

Ratings don’t pay the fighter. Ratings only benefit promoters and the networks to continue more fights. That being said, guarantees are more meaningful. With Finkel and Haymon conspiring like phagg0ts about “well how much is DAZN paying AJ” is just utter gayness. Same garbage with Charlo ducking offers from GBp. It’s obvious it’s all Haymon that piece of shet that sabotaged Wilder. It’s all karma. AJ losing to Ruiz in the first fight was karma because AJ refused 50mil way back. That was a premium offer even exceeding Wilder’s purse since he was B side. Haymon and Finkel didn’t care since the investment and location with PPV and Vegas would’ve supplemented it. Loeffler, Oscar, Hearn can all abuse DAZN’s trust for business, but when DiBella tried to make some moves for himself the Wilder phags intérpreted it as Lou taking advantage of Wilder... as if Haymon isn’t.

[ShoulderRoll]

Ratings don’t pay the fighter. Ratings only benefit promoters and the networks to continue more fights. That being said, guarantees are more meaningful. With Finkel and Haymon conspiring like phagg0ts about “well how much is DAZN paying AJ” is just utter gayness. Same garbage with Charlo ducking offers from GBp. It’s obvious it’s all Haymon that piece of shet that sabotaged Wilder. It’s all karma. AJ losing to Ruiz in the first fight was karma because AJ refused 50mil way back. That was a premium offer even exceeding Wilder’s purse since he was B side. Haymon and Finkel didn’t care since the investment and location with PPV and Vegas would’ve supplemented it. Loeffler, Oscar, Hearn can all abuse DAZN’s trust for business, but when DiBella tried to make some moves for himself the Wilder phags intérpreted it as Lou taking advantage of Wilder... as if Haymon isn’t.

In America when you want to determine purse splits you go by tv ratings, tickets sold, and/or PPV sales. That's the way it has been done for a long time.

You can't be a non-draw in those areas and expect to be paid the same as, or more than, a fighter who has proven numbers. Not in the USA.

[soul_survivor]

Surely both guys are B sides???

[ShoulderRoll]

Surely both guys are B sides???

Nope. Check their tv ratings and PPV sales.

One is the clear B-side to the other.

[Fists_of_Fury]

Fraudford fought nobody worth a damn his entire career. His ppv flopped. He's fought an extremely weak welterweight resume for a supposed top p4p fighter and welterweight. His best opponent is inactive and blown up Gamboa who put him on ***** street with a massive size disadvantage. He re-signed with Top Rank and ESPN exclusivity to protect his glass chin and not receive bad media, which he deserves for cherrypicking. Jeff Horn, peg legged Jose Bumavidez, washed up glass jaw Amir Khan, and Eurobum Mean Machine is a resume only a delusional hype job cherry picker would have and expect to be the A side to a guy who holds more belts, sold more ppv's and beat a better resume of fighters at the weight they would fight at.

[Blond Beast]

Yeah, it's nothing to be ashamed of. I guess Terence Crawford wants one of those extra steering wheels in the car like a driving instructor.

So u chose to make a driving joke and it’s about Crawford?
I mean maybe u coulda got half marks some other fight? Are u being Ironic? Trolling? Did u purposely set it up so that someone could say if anyone needed a b side steering wheel it was Spence so someone could stop him from flying out of his freaking car and stop holding up the damn division? Seriously? Nah u did it on purpose. Nobody would seriously make a car joke about Crawford while referencing a Spence fight.

[Citizen Koba]

What makes it even funnier is Bob Arum just came out and said nobody will pay for a Crawford vs Porter fight but we all know Spence vs Porter sold well, further proving that Crawford isn't a big enough draw to sell a match vs Porter like Spence did. It proves he's the B side.

I ain't really got much opinion on who should be A side here, I think Crawford believes his earlier achievements add to his value and the facts that he's getting paid $$$ mils for the likes of Kaviaulaskas is gotta make him pretty infexible I reckon. The dude genuinely believes his status entitles him to a bigger or at least equal cut whatever the market says and I think he's a prideful man that's gonna be difficult to shift.


However...


Arums point about it not selling was a direct reference to the current COVID 19 crisis and the fact that not only are live gates gonna be reduced for the foreseeable, but far fewer people are gonna have the disposable income to prioritise buying a PPV for a good while I should imagine... a lotta folk have got it real tight, and more especially in the lower 9income brackets. Wasn't just saying it wouldn't sell usually, was saying it wouldn't sell enough at the moment to pay what both guys would want.