Canelo is criticized for 154-155 yet Floyd could swing 154-147...

[Thuglife Nelo]

Why is 168 better than 160?
Plus Mikey moved up for the money, Cmon now your smarter than this..

Moved up for the “money?” How many classes is Mikey Garcia?

For a fighter who’s considered top 5 P4P yes 168 would be better than 160 if no one “supposedly” didn’t want to fight you at Middleweight starting from 2011. Did Chocolatito or Inoue move up in weights? I’m referring to P4P culture.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Only thing he didn't do was fight Ward, man, and if you show me any fighter in history who you can say hand on heart would have jumped up to fight Andre Ward upon being mandated to fight Cotto or Canelo for more money I'll show you a liar.

Was there a coupla different fights he could have made, not even necessarily better ones? sure. And there was a few which he did make or tried to make but fell through. It happens. But you can say that about literally every fighter who ever fought... you calling 'em 'all hype' too or just the ones you don't like?

Naw, the whole game's, dumb, man. You can play that **** with anyone, even Canelo, even Floyd, you wanna hate on a guy there's always a way. The question you gotta ask yourself is whether you want to be one of those dudes or whether you wannna be a real fan who respects the efforts and accomplishments of all fighters.

You another one of 'em keyboard warriors there my man? No-one's asking you to call GGG - or any other fighter - an ATG a HoFer or even to like 'em, but show some damn respect for these guys who lace 'em up for your entertainment, show some damn respect for yourself.

I’m not allowed to post in the “How to hate on GGG: Guide” thread.

They shook or facts...

You had ducked this thread Koba. Me and Daggum were having a debate on GGG vs Ward or 168.

You brought up GGG wanting Cotto or Canelo over Ward... that was post 2015.

GGG is significantly bigger than Sergio Martinez. Again, if nobody wanted to fight GGG way back in 2011-2014 at Middleweight, why waste his time at 160 when supposedly this new “Middleweight” Messiah would’ve/should’ve been the post Super Six attention. Silver Medalist, am pedigree, talented and tight fundamentals. The logical approach would’ve been 168 and fight the Proksas, Rosados, or Adamas of the Super Middleweight division. We even have posters saying that GGG would’ve beat Abraham. Abraham had been catapulted a bigger name than Sturm or GGG in Germany. The Klitschko bros and Loeffler or Team GGG felt Arthur would’ve gave GGG serious problems in walking forward? Attacking the body?

GGG didn’t have to unify at 168 with Ward. In fact if industry disclosed Ward having injuries that would’ve been the perfect time for GGG to have invaded 168. Forget Cotto or Canelo. Those were years later.

You’ve got guys like SRL, Duran, Hearns moving up... GGG wasn’t influenced?

[Real King Kong]

You’re not understanding the scales. I’ll make it easier for you. When Floyd weighed in at Welterweight scales, either pre 2010 or post, you’re saying Floyd wouldn’t be able to cut 2lbs of water when he has never looked drained? You’re not understanding, for fighters whom are in tip top shape and have never looked drained (drained = 5-15lbs+), you mean Floyd couldn’t hit the 144 scale wither Marquez?

That doesn’t make any sense with boxing culture other than that Floyd DIDNT LIKE drain feelings that would affect performance on fight night. If Post Floyd was a 147-154 fighter it means he was in fact semi-draining for 147 we just never heard the narrative cause Haymon and TMT did a good job concealing it. To put in better perspective, can Crawford make 144 today given Floyd’s age when he fought Marquez?

I see, you were referencing the Marquez fight specifically. He flat out cheated him there for whatever reason. Not sure if it was due to the layoff or his inability to cut the extra 3 lbs. I don’t think Floyd had trouble making 147, but 144, who knows.

You should know what a difference even 1 lb makes when it comes to cutting...just ask caneloweight Alvarez.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I see, you were referencing the Marquez fight specifically. He flat out cheated him there for whatever reason. Not sure if it was due to the layoff or his inability to cut the extra 3 lbs. I don’t think Floyd had trouble making 147, but 144, who knows.

You should know what a difference even 1 lb makes when it comes to cutting...just ask caneloweight Alvarez.

It wasn’t 3lbs. It was 2lbs. The agreement was 144. Floyd had to redo contracts for 146. that’s bad business. Basically if Marquez didn’t agree, there’d be no fight and Vegas would’ve been in shambles. Funny thing is Arum was so hungry betting and wanted to make his end from the fight anyways, Arum wouldn’t even sabotage Floyd at Vegas. Meaning if the fight was off, Vegas would remember that and Floyd fans would lose respect. So Marquez did Floyd even another favor by continuing with the fight... extortion...

But if it makes you feel any better that’s how Caneloweight started with Ángulo. It had to be changed to 155 cause Canelo’s team missed the calibration. Ángulo is heavy handed, so they probably a bit more resistance with weight. But to Alvarez major credit, Alvarez was 170 in the ring whereas Ángulo was 174.

Let’s keep it real though, Angulo was always a bigger class than Canelo. Look how many fights Ángulo had before the Canelo bout. Too many above 155. comparing Marquez to Ángulo is a stretch let alone the age gap..

[Real King Kong]

It wasn’t 3lbs. It was 2lbs. The agreement was 144. Floyd had to redo contracts for 146. that’s bad business. Basically if Marquez didn’t agree, there’d be no fight and Vegas would’ve been in shambles. Funny thing is Arum was so hungry betting and wanted to make his end from the fight anyways, Arum wouldn’t even sabotage Floyd at Vegas. Meaning if the fight was off, Vegas would remember that and Floyd fans would lose respect. So Marquez did Floyd even another favor by continuing with the fight... extortion...

But if it makes you feel any better that’s how Caneloweight started with Ángulo. It had to be changed to 155 cause Canelo’s team missed the calibration. Ángulo is heavy handed, so they probably a bit more resistance with weight. But to Alvarez major credit, Alvarez was 170 in the ring whereas Ángulo was 174.

Let’s keep it real though, Angulo was always a bigger class than Canelo. Look how many fights Ángulo had before the Canelo bout. Too many above 155. comparing Marquez to Ángulo is a stretch let alone the age gap..

You have it backwards, canelo was 174...Angulo was 170. Not sure what any of that has to do with canelo making his own weight class because it was more comfortable for him. If you can’t make the weight...move to the next weight class. Simple.

[Thuglife Nelo]

You have it backwards, canelo was 174...Angulo was 170. Not sure what any of that has to do with canelo making his own weight class because it was more comfortable for him. If you can’t make the weight...move to the next weight class. Simple.

That’s all fake propaganda against Canelo. Boxrec has Canelo at 170 on fight night and Ángulo at 174. Ángulo was already a Super Welter by 2005. Surprisingly Angulo’s next fights Right after Canelo were 163lbs+ and Alfredo was still draining in those weights too.

Showtime even showed Ángulo sleeping during the day of the weigh in underneath the ring... he was weight deprived because Ángulo too needed to be heavier than his previous fights heading into Canelo.

There is no official report that Canelo was 174 and Ángulo 170. Those were speculated and Dan Rafael went with it to tweet.

Look at this funny ass article, smear campaign against Canelo that haters went by, lol. In no way did Canelo against Ángulo was as big as Super Middleweights on fight night like Ramirez, Smith, Benavidez, or a Fielding. Canelo was even bigger in the Fielding fight, FILLED, on the scale and looked the same on fight night, whereas in the Ángulo fight he looked smaller and more slim.

Look at this idiotic article from this clown ass blog website:

“Canelo weighed in at 155 lbs last Friday night and had the weight limit for his junior middleweight fight moved to middleweight at 155. For the secondary weigh-in, which was requested by team Angulo, Canelo weighed 166 lbs [super middleweight] at 3:00 p.m. PT last Saturday. He then re-hydrated up an incredible 8 lbs to come into the fight at 174 against Angulo.

For fans not up on weight classes, that’s one away from the upper limit of the light heavyweight division. We’re not talking junior middleweight here; we’re talking three divisions above the 154 lb division in coming in at 174. Canelo was basically 2 points away from being a cruiserweight last night.” -box1ngnews24


Only an idiot like Michale Montero would write something like that. Lol. Lies and smear campaign.

[Goldie]

It wasn’t 3lbs. It was 2lbs. The agreement was 144. Floyd had to redo contracts for 146. that’s bad business. Basically if Marquez didn’t agree, there’d be no fight and Vegas would’ve been in shambles.

You're lying just making sht up. The penalties for Mayweather not making 144 were put in the contract. Bad business would’ve been not having the penalties in the contract and that would’ve put the right in jeopardy. The penalty was reportedly $300k per pound and if that’s true, I suspect Marquez would’ve taken the extra $600k with n exchange for Mayweather coming in at 46 instead of 44.

[Thuglife Nelo]

You're lying just making sht up. The penalties for Mayweather not making 144 were put in the contract. Bad business would’ve been not having the penalties in the contract and that would’ve put the right in jeopardy. The penalty was reportedly $300k per pound and if that’s true, I suspect Marquez would’ve taken the extra $600k with n exchange for Mayweather coming in at 46 instead of 44.

TMT and Haymon were shady from the get go. Floyd wasn’t even sure he could agree to revised contract. He was supposed to turn in the renegotiated agreement on time as Schaefer did for Marquez. TMT submitted the contracted to the commission right before the weigh in. For a guy whom boasts about being the “Money Man” he was spooked he wouldn’t even make 146 and lose money. These antics just moments away from the scale proves Floyd has been semi draining for 147 if he couldn’t commit to 144 and being the “Messiah” gym rat. Couldn’t even shave off 2lbs of water for 144. Doesn’t it prove why he did those 2lbs for Canelo?

[strykr619]

This is utter nonsense. I said GGG wasted his time at 160, you And I can interpret it as “ducking” but at the end of the day, from 2011-2014, you want to convince readers that there weren’t better fights than Proksa+ years or that HBO wouldn’t pay for 168-type Proksas or Rosado’s or Adama’s at 168?!


Lay off the crack. You posters created these lies and GGG diehards went along with it. Lol

I even said GGG didn’t have to unify with Ward at 168 which is common practice in boxing ala Stevenson vs Kovalev. Fact is GGG chose weaker fights at 160 and HBO would’ve paid the same value at 168. “Better fights doe.”

LOL you worship a known Cheater... Stop already.

[Real King Kong]

That’s all fake propaganda against Canelo. Boxrec has Canelo at 170 on fight night and Ángulo at 174. Ángulo was already a Super Welter by 2005. Surprisingly Angulo’s next fights Right after Canelo were 163lbs+ and Alfredo was still draining in those weights too.

Showtime even showed Ángulo sleeping during the day of the weigh in underneath the ring... he was weight deprived because Ángulo too needed to be heavier than his previous fights heading into Canelo.

There is no official report that Canelo was 174 and Ángulo 170. Those were speculated and Dan Rafael went with it to tweet.

Look at this funny ass article, smear campaign against Canelo that haters went by, lol. In no way did Canelo against Ángulo was as big as Super Middleweights on fight night like Ramirez, Smith, Benavidez, or a Fielding. Canelo was even bigger in the Fielding fight, FILLED, on the scale and looked the same on fight night, whereas in the Ángulo fight he looked smaller and more slim.

Look at this idiotic article from this clown ass blog website:

“Canelo weighed in at 155 lbs last Friday night and had the weight limit for his junior middleweight fight moved to middleweight at 155. For the secondary weigh-in, which was requested by team Angulo, Canelo weighed 166 lbs [super middleweight] at 3:00 p.m. PT last Saturday. He then re-hydrated up an incredible 8 lbs to come into the fight at 174 against Angulo.

For fans not up on weight classes, that’s one away from the upper limit of the light heavyweight division. We’re not talking junior middleweight here; we’re talking three divisions above the 154 lb division in coming in at 174. Canelo was basically 2 points away from being a cruiserweight last night.” -box1ngnews24


Only an idiot like Michale Montero would write something like that. Lol. Lies and smear campaign.

There were several articles reporting their fight night weights. Do you think it’s possible boxrec got the numbers reversed, or does boxrec have their own scale lol.

Canelo has been reported to weight 170+ on several occasions at 154 and caneloweight...his team even responded to it stating the weights aren’t accurate. The truth is, those weights don’t mean all that much anyway because it’s unofficial and fighters often get on the scale fully clothed.

All your conspiracy against canelo bs still didn’t address why that diva made his own weight class instead of moving to the next division if the weight cut became too difficult.